MotoGP » Rossi lapped as Ducati era draws to an end


Valentino Rossi's final outing as a Ducati rider is an unhappy one as he can only finish in tenth place, a lap down on Dani Pedrosa.

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True Fan - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 1:53 PM

@Tetley Your rationale for Lorenzo and Pedrosa is plausible. Your rationale for Stoner is cynical and derogatory, and misrepresents the facts - your opinion though.
Your defence of Rossi is inconsistent with Rossi's own explanation...He chose the wrong tyres, and was uncompetitive. Of course he didn't want to crash, but he claims he was trying, and he wanted to do better.
However, I also believe his being lapped is a symbolic end to a disasterous folly.
Ducati made more changes for Rossi than they have made in aggregate for all other riders that raced for them since 2003. He still couldn't ride it. Myth busted. We'll soon see whether his return to Yamaha is a fanboy dream, another nightmare, or simply a yawn.

Vilas

November 12, 2012 2:01 PM
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True Fan

Thaats true m8.. but Ducati is playing with new stuff that tkx to Rossi can take Ducati to other levels but they still have to have more experience m8, that fact that Ducati build new stuff dont mean that the stuff is right and is competitive maybe thats why they fired that ****** Preziosi and go used Suter chassi to understand somethingh.. Even the best faild after winning and winning for exemple Rossi him 2006, Rossi say the 2005 yamaha was the best bike he ever ride for the 990cc Era but Yamaha try to improve for 2006 and insted of improve they did worst creating chatter and other problems on engine etc that suffer a lot for realiability problems, Now did you expect that one team that him 2004 find the way to be the best him 2005 have clearly the best bike did you expect that on 2006 yamaha would have so much problems??? And was not the end after 2007 with the change on Rules yamaha face new problems but they could turn thinghs around.. Now Ducati Ducati is lost they try t

Vilas

November 12, 2012 2:03 PM

Now Ducati Ducati is lost they try to sign Forusawa and now Audi whant to finish this bullsht signing a contract with one team speacilsed on build chassis and leave the Engine for Ducati

Vilas

November 12, 2012 2:05 PM

there there now

At the end of 2013 year we will talck i will not forget you dont worrie.. If i had to be humble i will know how to be but you are wrong!! Rossi will fight and he will prove he can win again to this guys

True Fan - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 2:30 PM

@Vilas haha. I was messing with your spelling mistake. star - start... the other was for Tetley, but he probably won't respond. Anyway, your explanation doesn't help with the myth of "Rossi the bike developer"...not that I care about that one. Rider's don't develop. Nor do crew chiefs. They give feedback. End of story.

Great riders tend to be able to ride around problems. Rossi's key talent was exploiting advantages. He couldn't work the Ducati out, and changed too much. As Stoner said - you have to ride it the way IT wants to be ridden. It's Italian. It has issues. I just wish Ducati ditched the management lot that treated Stoner with contempt instead of Preziosi. He moved heaven and earth trying to fix the bike so Rossi could compete with it.

Vilas

November 12, 2012 2:39 PM

True Fan

write a book about Stoner..ahahah yeah he this year could fight very well no doubt.. in fact he really show is talente and pride at Indy crashing at one qualify wasting a year only to try to get a pole!! like i say before is not my type of rider..!! I apreciated much more Lorenzo atitude.. Also Stoner did well at Ducati is true but he only manage 1 Wc there that so many people say was all about is talente but then 2008 2009 and 2010 he lost is talente..ahaha like i say before he is one of the greates of motogp but thats all, if its your favorite only because he manage to put the Ducati on the podium more times its your opinian.. For me the only true is that Ducati Gp project is rule by a bunch of gays that dont understand sht, they only dream about and think that make sense.. Ducati is not a global disaster because the road models have other enginers and they are worcking with the same stuff since they win somethingh that is one Vwtin engine and that type of chassi they used

Tetley

November 12, 2012 2:46 PM

“@Tetley Your rationale for Stoner is cynical and derogatory, and misrepresents the facts. your opinion though. @True Fan”
I don't know what you were watching, maybe it was highlights? but when interviewed on the grid Stoner said he didn't want to be there and he was frightened of injuring himself. That's fact, not opinion. “he only made an effort when he saw a podium was possible” I formed that opinion from him circulating steadily nowhere near the front runners, but benefitting when others fell or dropped out. IMHO, when he realised he was in fourth with a chance of third, he decided to raise his pace and quickly caught and passed for a podium place.
“I also believe his being lapped is a symbolic end to a disasterous folly. True Fan”
Disastrous folly. Yes, I 100percent agree that signing for Ducati was brave and ambitious, but ill-fated.
Roll on Tuesday when we find if The Dogcati has corrupted VR's capabilities.

Southerner

November 12, 2012 3:10 PM

'if the Dogcati has corrupted VR's capabilities'.
Thats an insult to Rossi all in itself. The switch from V4 to transverse 4 by Dovi didn't corrupt his abilities. As for testing,we will have to wait for next year at the Sepang test before we can really read anything into as to who is where.
HRC and Ducati are staying Valencia and Yamaha are lickity split off to Aragon for Wednesday.

True Fan - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 3:21 PM

@Tetley it's still a misrepresentation. True that he didn't want to ride in those conditions because of the risk. If has crashes, he could easily do permanent damage. He was told not to ride for months...
He made the same mistake as Rossi - wrong tyre choice - too conservative. Guessed wrong. Didn't crash, changed bikes and reduced the gap to the race winner after re-joining. You make it sound like he's a coward for doing that, but Rossi is a genius for getting lapped.
Stoner bows out with yet another podium. Rossi bows out from Ducati as last prototype to finish, lapped by leaders, and beaten by semi-production bikes. It wasn't the bike, it was the tyre choice. I wonder what you would have said if Rossi came third...

Tetley

November 12, 2012 3:43 PM

“if the Dogcati has corrupted VR's capabilities". Thats an insult to Rossi all in itself. Posted by Southerner”
Sorry you read it that way. It was not a criticism of VR. He's had to ride the Dog in a different way, he's had to change his style, his turn-in, his braking strategy. He has probably developed different riding habits. He will have to un-learn the techniques he had to use on the Dog. No-one except Casey has got off the Dog and gone on to success in MotoGP.

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