MotoGP » Crutchlow crash scuppers career best finish

Cal Crutchlow looked on course for a second place finish in the 2012 season-ending Valencia Grand Prix, only to fall in the closing stages.

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November 12, 2012 3:06 PM

@samas what do you mean running out of fuel wasn't his fault? Fuel management, like tyre management, is part of racing. If he used up all his fuel before the end of the race then presumably he was using more fuel than the other riders. Just like riders who push too hard and then complain their tyres have gone off.

Hemmy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 3:21 PM

Regarding number of crashes, 5 riders have crashed out more than Cal, and he has crashed out 4 times, the same as 5 other riders too.

Cal, Abraham and Spies have all crashed out 4 times this season.

The fact that Cal has had 5 no scores out of the last 8 races shows how many points he's lost to Rossi and Bautista.

Yes he and Bradl have finished lower than Rossi and Bautista in the standings, but anyone with even half a brain can see that Both Cal and Bradl have been faster than Rossi and Bautista this season.

But yes, points are what matters at the end of the season, regardless of whose faster. Cal has been faster than all the 3 riders mentioned above, but its the mistakes that let him down of course.

As we say, you can stop a fast guy from crashing, but you cant make a slow guy fast.

Cal has only been slower than 3 or 4 guys this season.

Hemmy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 3:24 PM

And whoever said that Cal has the best bikes bar the respol hondas and factory yamaha's need to go and look into that because its just incorrect.

Both Bautista and Bradl are on factory backed bikes that are closer to the full factory hondas than Cals is to the factory yamahas.

And we all know that the factory honda has been the best bike during the secind half of the season, so that point holds no water at all.


November 12, 2012 3:53 PM

@ petrolbonce

Of course running out of fuel isn't the rider's fault. The team calculate the amount of fuel required based on race simulation pace in practice, fill the tank accordingly and advise the rider he has enough to run the race. In this case they underestimated Crutchlow's race pace and underfueled the bike by 300mls.

It's only part of race craft if the rider knows he's going to run short. Otherwise you trust to the team's calculations and assume they got it right. In this case they didn't.

The Bad Guy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 3:55 PM

I can guarantee you Bautistas bike is no where near as good as Cals/Dovi's M1s are,He has to run Showa suspension(as will Honda's production Racers) and is getting no Data from the Repsol boys at all.Bradl's bike is on Par with the Tech 3s.
Cal has the Speed but hasn't found the thin red line between winning and binning it yet,I will tell you no one on the Grid wants to win more then Crutchlow.


November 12, 2012 4:12 PM

@ The Bad Guy

I agree with your comments re. the sat Hondas.

Though I think for next year the satellite Hondas will be full factory spec and that Gresini will be running Ohlins kit again. That's going to make them far more formidable, and will mean that Yamaha will be the only prototype manufacturer not to field 4 factory spec bikes. The Tech 3 boys are going to be really up against it unless Yamaha steps up their support to match.

The Bad Guy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 4:47 PM

Yamaha are no where near Finacially as strong as HRC are right now,And are lagging from a Engineering Stand point as well.I expect within the next few weeks they(Yamaha) will anounce a major sponser which may help with cost.
If Rossi can return to his old self then He and Lorenzo may be able to hold of the Hondas next season the big X Factor is how Good is Marqez going to Be and how much will the RCV improve for te start of next season.
Rumour has Pol Espargro almost a shoe in to move to a M1 in 2014.
Bring on 2013!!!!

Hemmy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 10:23 PM

@ Bad guy, and your 'guarentee' that Bautista's bike is no where near Cal's tech 3, is based on what? The fact that it runs Showa?

It was assumed at the start of the season that Showa were behind Ohlins due to being on the back foot, naturally. And that assumption was correct. As the season has progressed, Showa and Gresini have collected more data and have taken great steps forward. Laguna was the turning point for Showa/Gresini where it all started to come together. the general opinion is that they are not that far behind Ohlins in fact.

Suspension aside, the most important areas are Chassis, Engine, Electronics. Ok lets assume that Showa are still a little behind Ohlins. The bikes of Bradl and Bautista are closer in spec to the Repsol Hondas in Engine and Electronic spec, than tech 3 is to the Factory M1's. Thats not opinion, its fact. And add to that the fact the Factory Honda is marginally better than the Factory M1's, then its clearly untrue to assume that Cal's bike is better

Hemmy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 10:34 PM

@ Don-R, 'Though I think for next year the satellite Hondas will be full factory spec and that Gresini will be running Ohlins kit again. That's going to make them far more formidable'

If this does happen, and its by no means a done deal yet, it could work in either direction for Gresini, which with money aside, is the main reason why a decision has not been finalised yet.

As said, Bautista/Gresini were on the back foot from the start of this season, and have taken leaps forward after Laguna which was a turning point for them. There is no guarentee that Bautista/Gresini will be fast from the get go if they do end up running Ohlins. A years worth of data running Showa is invaluable for early success, and a switch to Ohlins may out them on the back foot again, just like they were this year.

Now of course, having full access to works data would help, so this is more likely to be the key to early success. And although im not personally fully aware of the ins and outs of it, i would haz

Hemmy - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 10:37 PM

.....i would hazard a guess that its the access to data that will make or break the deal. Which again is all down to Rider and/or Team contracts.

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