MotoGP » Preziosi replaced in Ducati shake-up


Filippo Preziosi replaced as general manager of Ducati Corse by Bernhard Gobmeier, Paolo Ciabatti returns

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NeedToBeRealistic - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 11:53 AM

Well I hope they don't think they are going to be competitive straight away, I hope they can be but while ever they develop the bike, Honda and Yamaha will always be a season or two ahead!
Ducati now need to really pull their finger out and get things moving. Rossi will most certainly have started the "input in the right direction" that's undeniable as Nicky himself said this years Duc is the best he's ever ridden!
Fresh blood on the bike, and I feel Dovi may just do a decent job of the "red shed".

CRT - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 12:50 PM

@ “And you still have no proof” Posted by CRT”
I'll say it again in the hope that you'll get some help with the long words - it is futile to expect that you will ever see the written proof.
“You are hanging onto a belief that Rossi and JB are infallible.” Posted by CRT”
JB and VR confirmed what the Duc's other riders, including CS told them. So you are saying they were all wrong, which is obviously a highly unlikely scenario.
On the proven basis that it is futile to argue with an idiot I'm not going to respond any more to your bait and unreasoned imagination.
Posted by Tetley

Of course it's easier to insult and walk away knowing you're losing the debate.

There's two years worth of updates at the request of JB and Rossi to show for, but you are trying to tell me they didn't listen to them? More updates in two years than Stoner received in four years and you are telling me they didn't listen. After every test Rossi claimed it a sucess, only to go no where.

Get real. I have some be

Wolfy35

November 21, 2012 4:16 PM

Was it really Preziosi's fault?
Consider these points.

1,Ducati were operating on a budget that was tiny compared to Honda & Yamaha, any team in any form of motorsport that is on a fraction of the budget of their competitors would struggle to match them if for the only reason they would struggle to find the finances to develop as fast
Question. Did Ducati stand still or did they improve but at a slower pace than Honda & Yamaha so making it appear Ducati stood still.

2, Ducati have long been saddled with an attitude that they must stay true to their past. It has been said by many Ducati would not build a narrow angle engine like Honda's because Ducati by tradition always use this engine angle & format.
If Ducati only ever did what they have by tradition they would not build motorcycles only radio valves.

With AUDI now behind them & hungry to succeed I think past traditions will disappear in favour of an evolution towards whatever is needed to win, Just look what they have done in L

Wink - Unregistered

November 21, 2012 11:01 PM

Look, Beg borrow or steal a Honda or Yammaha frame and motor, paint it red, stick a Duwatti sticker on the tank with fully enclosed fairing so nobody would notice the difference and let's go racing.. Hell, Hayden would still finish 6th or 7th. Good test rider though.

a fan - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 1:18 AM

@CRT

I don't mean to argue your opinion.Im sorry.According to you,Ducati already given the update,but VR can't adapt it right?Do you realise that the update must been fully delivered to rider which the rider asked for?Yes,they had updates,many updates.But none according to VR give a satisfaction for him.If you ride a donkey,how you want to catch a horse?????

shamarone

November 22, 2012 1:33 AM

re: "The L engine works well on a road bike, just hits a limit when the extreme physics of motogp are applied."

F = M x A

and this would differ from an L twin, that can also do 200 mph, but weighs more how...? newton didn't give a rats.

Wolfy35

November 22, 2012 1:43 AM

@ shamarone

It is true that Ducati did have a very expensive development program BUT the engine stayed in the same 90 degree configuration. Engine development work did happen but it was based more around power delivery & torque curve than anything else. All the other work revolved around building different frame configurations to try and move weight around. In short the engine made for a long front end and less than ideal weight distribution. Every rider that Ducati had in MGP, Even Stoner in the year he won complained of the same problems that surrounded this issue.

The WSB etc victories you list is true but that is EXACTLY what I meant when I said Ducati stayed true to their past. Attitude at Ducati that if that engine configuration worked it would in MGP.

shamarone

November 22, 2012 1:46 AM

re: "Yet I feel that the mistake Ducati made was moving away from the carbon Frame ...it was the way of the future who ever makes it work shall be in a commanding postion"

boeing, lockheed martin, general dynamics, BMW/SGL and adrian newey would all buy this for a dollar.

shamarone

November 22, 2012 1:57 AM

re: "All the other work revolved around building different frame configurations to try and move weight around."

what work...? they FTR (an outside contractor) built a whopping 2 frames...? hell, even suzuki built more... and everybody knows the disdain i hold toward hammamatsu's grandprix effort. no love.

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