MotoGP » Preziosi replaced in Ducati shake-up


Filippo Preziosi replaced as general manager of Ducati Corse by Bernhard Gobmeier, Paolo Ciabatti returns

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Blackdog Barking - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 3:30 AM

@ Shamarone
I guess it is time you moved to Italy and built them a Frame seeing you are such a genius Frame man???
everyone got into the frame act in 2011 Because Rossi insted of evolving the then Current ducati started to throw so many changes at the Ducati there is no way they could have been properly evaluated I recall when I was racing more than one change at a time would only create confusion which part of the change made a difference etc
Ducati should have been Stronger and insisted each change should have been given proper evaluation the fact that the bike was quicker in the first five races Rossi rode it and became slower there after suggests clueless developement......the current media rave is the engine funny that and now everyone is on that bandwagon now such great experts the fans.....

TalentFan

November 22, 2012 9:34 AM

With hindsight... I wonder if Ducati's head honcho's consider that their biggest mistake was under-valuing CS?
It is now indisputable that only CS has been able to ride the Ducati competitively consistently - the guy was ALWAYS fast even if he fell off doing it. And Ducati seriously under-appreciated CS and lost him.
Imagine if they'd backed CS - paid him a bit more to keep him happy, and got Philip Morris's pile of spare money invested on getting R&D to work using the feedback of a rider KNOWN to be able to push the package hard enough to be able to evaluate the chassis and drive development forward.
We'll never know - but the course of Ducati's recent history (and their current standing) might be so much different (and infinitely more competitive and valuable), and without having spent more money to do achieve this.
Let's face it - it could hardly have turned out worse.

Codger

November 22, 2012 4:11 PM

@Talentfan
".....getting R&D to work using the feedback of a rider KNOWN to be able to push the package hard enough to be able to evaluate the chassis and drive development forward."
On the face of it you are right, however in practise it didn't happen. No fault of Casey though. Often, when he fell off, he and the Data generated didn't know why. One time, when he fell off while leading, they put it down to the footrest digging in!!!
Stoner and others stated that the bike wasn't even consistant from corner to corner.

Raafrebel - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 7:48 PM

A lot of people here are blaming the bike. It may be true to some degree, but its not a heap of sh!t.
The ducati is an enginering master peice as so are all the other bikes on the grid.
Its really not that far off the pace, I just think that it needs someone who is going to push it to the limit again, as it should be, by another fantastic rider.
I dont care how much of a crap bike it is , I would love to have one as my track day bike!!

TalentFan

November 22, 2012 7:49 PM

@ Codger
There is of course the possibility though (esp. with the extra cash for upgrades that would've been available saved from VR's whopping salary), Ducati taking CS more seriously, plus 2 seasons for CS to push the bike might have helped the engineers develop the solutions to the handling deficiency though huh?
Given the current situation at Ducati (i.e. no tangible development direction or progress inroads against their rivals since CS was replaced by VR - all I was saying was that everything points to Ducati being in a much better palce if they's been smart enough to keep CS, as the only rider to be able to push their package to its limits and make it go fast enough for them to know what worked and what didn't when they tried new parts.

arrested development - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 11:37 PM

@Talentfan part of the problem was that CS was the only rider able to ride the bike hard enough to find out which new parts work. The Ducati test riders weren't capable of it which meant that beacause of limited rider testing time available CS had to test what limited parts he did get was at the race meetings. If the new parts were rubbish then he crashed or wasted valuable practice time.

Innes Thomson - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 3:15 AM

poor decision. Hiring a BMW guy is arguably no better an option. BMW have not really excelled in wither F1 or WSB relative to their expenditure in recent years.

Preziosi was a visionary, first with Big bang 990cc, carbon chassis, the shame is he was thrown under the bus instead of Rossi.

Ducati should stick to their guns and keep developing the carbon chassis concept. In every form of top level experimental motorsport its the way of the future..

TalentFan

November 23, 2012 12:13 PM

@ arrested development
I know the testing restrictions meant that CS was effectively testing during races, and this was a problem. All I'm saying is that getting rid of the only guy they ever had who could GET to the bikes limits (and it was damn fast when it got there) was a bad, bad move.
Even with the restrictions the last 2-years data and feedback from CS pushing the bike to its limit would have given Ducati a better chance of closing the gap to Yam & Honda is all I'm suggesting.
Yam & HRC already have such well-developed pakcages for years that they just need to make tiny changes to 99.999% sorted base equipment. The challenge at Ducati is massive in comparison and they need some1 who can push the thing hard. No-one but CS ever could.

3gyroslider

November 23, 2012 8:33 PM

The whole saga... made Casey into a legend and destroyed the Rossi legend. Motogp is falling apart... putting Rossi back on the Yamaha is nothing more than a desperate attempt to get bums on seats. More than likely, the ugly spectre of 'one off' special tyres will appear again... you will know it when some rider has a spectacular form reversal come Sundays morning warm up. This year the Crutch had a couple of these... and it looks like motogp management are definitely pandering to the English crowd as a revenue source. No doubt Rossi will be putting his hand up for some of those tyres again?

desmo decker - Unregistered

November 24, 2012 3:36 AM

the big problem is the casey stoner thing . cos he won yonks ago on a totally different bike the current one must be ok. what a load of cobblers. I though lean mean ducati could move and act faster to fix problems but they are more closed minded than all the japanese factories. maybe they get their ideas from the deluded posters on here. lol

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