MotoGP » Preziosi replaced in Ducati shake-up


Filippo Preziosi replaced as general manager of Ducati Corse by Bernhard Gobmeier, Paolo Ciabatti returns

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CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 4:52 PM

@ I too would love to see a detailed breakdown of the value he added against the money they paid him.

Posted by Marc

So in other words you're talking out your four points of contact. You have no idea how much return he brought to the table, you are just assuming.

Perfect. Thanks for clarifying that for us.

Realist

November 20, 2012 4:53 PM
Last Edited 616 days ago

Objectively speaking, it is a bit short-sighted to say that Rossi was a bad investment. None of us know the intricacies of the political red-tape Rossi was dealing with when it came to development, but what WE DO KNOW (..if we are to believe what has been reported by various media outlets AND substantiated by Prezi, Furusawa, etc.) is that Ducati recognized that the problem lies from within. Sure, the rider can and should take some of the blame, but "how much would be considered fair?" That is a quantity that is almost impossible to pinpoint. Rossi was brought in to do a job (aid in development)...and it was a failed marriage....but without the tools, how are you supposed to do your job as effectively as expected? It was pointless to hire him and waste the entire 2011 season because of stubbornness.

CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:05 PM

@ Objectively speaking, it is a bit short-sighted to say that Rossi was a bad investment.
Posted by Realist

How so? You can continue to say that, but you, nor anyone else has provided any proof that he was a "good invenstment", while on the other hand, I have shown how he was a bad investment.

Rossi had more "tools" at his disposal and any of his predecessors. Rossi failed to make a difference. Ducati came out worse than what they started. They still have a bad bike and if Rossi could only manage three podiums and no wins what makes you think "insert rider name here" will be any better? Ducati has effectively destroyed thier chance of getting a big name back on the bike. Be it Rossi's fault or Ducati's fault, this is the reality.

Marc - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:12 PM

@ While on the other hand, I have shown how he was a bad investment.

Nope. You've simply pointed out his failings, not that he was a bad investment. Just as I can't show you figures he added to the bottom line, you can't show me the figures he didn't add to the bottom line.

Bazx7r - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:24 PM

Lies, damned lies and statistics aside You could argue that this year the bike lapped faster / produced lower race times (read quicker)than last year and the same for the year before so arguable the bike has improved therefore the Rossi Burgess package did what it was paid to do. But for reasons that we will never know could not improve as fast as the factory Japanese bikes.

Just because Rossi couldn't win on it doesn't mean that the bike is worse or was a bad investment. What too many people on here forget is that while Ducati was trying to improve the bike, Honda and yamaha where doing exactly the same but faster and with better results. It would be nice to compare Honda / Yamaha and Ducati R&D spends for this year, what you can be sure of is that compared to the Ducati budget the Japanese ones would be astronomical.

Tetley

November 20, 2012 5:27 PM

@marc and @crt both have valid viewpoints with the benefits of 20,20 hindsight. But the decision to hire Rossi was made two years ago. It was a good decision at that time, considering the benefits which could have been gained. The "bad" element was that having ignored the comments of winning riders such as Melandri and Capirossi, they continued to ignore VR and JB, thereby wasting their investment.
The Ducati money-men got it right. It was team management who got it wrong. Audi would have wasted their time and money if they had left an unsuccessful management team calling the shots.
Preziosi is undoubtedly a talented man, but new blood and new thinking was essential to move the Team forwards.

lean two

November 20, 2012 5:27 PM

absolutely correct... advertising dollars pays rider salaries and Phillip Morris is a huge cash cow... And Ducati did not bring Rossi and company on to FIX the Ducati, they brought Rossi and company to win them them a title and (as we all know) that did not work out.
but for or some unbeknownst reason Ducati sales have been up regardless of motogp.

CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:41 PM

@ Nope. You've simply pointed out his failings, not that he was a bad investment. Just as I can't show you figures he added to the bottom line, you can't show me the figures he didn't add to the bottom line.

Posted by Marc

Uhm, this is motorcycle racing. The bottom line is to win. Do the math.

Racing is an expense for advertisement. If promoting a nine times world champ that can barely make it to the podium is good advertising for your brand so be it.

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