MotoGP » Preziosi replaced in Ducati shake-up


Filippo Preziosi replaced as general manager of Ducati Corse by Bernhard Gobmeier, Paolo Ciabatti returns

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CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:43 PM

@ so how much money DID ducati spend on Rossi's salary??
AS far as I know PM payed for Rossi - not Ducati

Posted by blue hurricane

Phillip Morris is Ducati's personal sponsor. Are you telling me the 13 million couldn't have been used in a better way?

Bazx7r - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:43 PM

Its my view (all be it i'm not an engineer) that the L4 engine configuration has reached its development limits and no amount of chassis tweeks will make it any more stable at the speeds its asked to do but Ducati has a major quandry, to build a new bike from the ground up will not only set them back Billons but also put them a further 5 years or so behind the japanese in terms of development. So do they forge on and see deminishing returns, make the current engine more adjustable whthin the frame, narrow the V angle or start afresh with a more compact mill with the 90 degree vee in a more upright position?

CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 5:44 PM

@ they continued to ignore VR and JB, thereby wasting their investment.

Posted by Tetley

I'm still waiting on the proof of this as well.

TalentFan

November 20, 2012 6:39 PM

Hmm - to add to the 'how much' debate above....

What about the (incalculable admittedly) damage to Ducati's brand image and reputation as a result of their relationship with Rossi?

As you can see from the unswerving support and the relentless insistence that Rossi is peerless and above and beyond reproach - it is Ducati who have taken the kicking from the 'fans' far more than Rossi seems to have done.

I would say Ducati's controllers were foolish to ever sign the man - they were always on to a hiding to nothing. Why? Fans would always have credited Rossi with any success, and were always going to blame Ducati for any failure. It was lose-lose for Ducati from day 1.

The fact the collaboration was was a failure just means the outcome for Ducati was a lot worse IMO.

Marc - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 6:44 PM

Oli agree with you except that Rossi won races before going to Ducati and even if you buy into the diminishing ability theory he showed in the couple of wet races and one dry race that he still has what it takes to be competitive. So that said, I'd heavily lean to blaming the bike not the rider. Plus while Stoner fanboys may think that Stoner never lost a race when he was on the Ducati his diminishing results and increasing crashes made him run to Honda.

Tetley

November 20, 2012 7:00 PM

"they continued to ignore VR and JB, thereby wasting their investment. Posted by Tetley"
"I'm still waiting on the proof of this as well. Posted by CRT"
It is highly unlikely that the factory will disclose the intricate whys and wherefores so it is futile to expect that you will ever see the written proof.
The proof is in the logic. They thought Melandri needed a shrink. They thought Capirossi wasn't fast enough. They persisted with characteristics which VR and JB told them needed changing. Any Team which hires top-level personnel and then ignores them is wasting their investment.

Marc - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 7:00 PM

talentless you have it all wrong. Having Rossi a multi-time champ go to Ducati was great all around especially for PR and the brand. It's only a fallacy pushed by Rossi haters that the Ducati brand was damaged by the Rossi/Ducati pairing. Actually, Duc has had some of its best sales numbers while having Rossi. Also, Rossi has elevated the issues the bike and team has and outlined what needs to be addressed. I think in the end both Rossi and Ducati fooled each other, Rossi didn't think it was that bad and Ducati thought he could mask the problems both were wrong.

CRT - Unregistered

November 20, 2012 7:01 PM

@ Plus while Stoner fanboys may think that Stoner never lost a race when he was on the Ducati his diminishing results and increasing crashes made him run to Honda.

Posted by Marc

And Rossi's inability to develop the Ducati caused him to run back to Yamaha.

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