MotoGP » Casey Stoner: Six of the best


Neil Morrison picks six of Casey Stoner's best MotoGP races - which of Stoner's performances do you rate the highest?

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Wayne27 - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 6:59 PM

Head to head is not valid anyway. Andy Murray is better than Roger Federer head to head, Mancini better than Ferguson head to head. Mcilroy better than Woods. People that deny that Rossi is more worthy than Stoner only started following bikes in very recent years.

Wayne27 - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 7:06 PM

Also, the boring 'but Stoner won on Ducati' is an invalid argument too. ****ne Wenger won titles with ****nal. Would Alex Ferguson be a 'fraud' and worse than Wenger if he went and couldn't win titles with ****nal?? NO because ****nal are not in a position to fight for titles now (partly due to Wengers mismanagement!)... Only stat that matters is career titles.

WylieCoyote

November 22, 2012 7:17 PM

If people choose to ignore the head to head comparison between 2006 and 2012 they are delusional. Casey's dominance of the 800cc period makes him one the best we have ever seen in the sport. His peers think so and that is why he is only one of 20 given the official Legend status. Does it make him the best of all time? No! That is firmly in the hands of Rossi and I wouldn't bother arguing the point. When Rossi fans perpetually dismiss Stoner's achievements they are showing an ignorance for the sport that is astonishing! What Rossi did prior to 2006 is one subject. Post 2006 is another. Statistically Stoner has been the best rider in the sport between 2006 and 2012. When Lorenzo retires we may have statistics to show he was the best during his time at the top level. Anything but statistics is opinion and conjecture.

WylieCoyote

November 22, 2012 7:46 PM

An interesting statistic is how many laps each rider has led races since 2006. Stoner 1089, Pedrosa 589 and Rossi 531. If we just take the years Lorenzo has been with them, Stone 801, Pedrosa 472, Rossi 353 and Lorenzo 588. I say it is an interesting stat because laps led does not equate to races won. For instance in 2005 Giberneau led more laps than anybody, including Rossi, yet had zero wins compared to Rossi's eleven! Hayden won the 2006 championship having led only 29 laps for the entire season!! Even Bayliss managed to lead for 30 laps that season and that was in one race.

Wayne27 - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 7:55 PM

Wiley, I do not deny the achievement of Stoner in my two posts. I try to liken him to Wenger (sorry if you don't follow football) a great champion, but not as great as Ferguson due to the difference in number of titles. In terms of head to head, that is my personal opinion. It is not to say that Casey has not been successful, but to say that in my opinion titles are at more important than head to head, which in this instance has been influenced purely by the fact that the two riders peaked at different moments. There are certainly flaws to my logic, but those are my opinions.

Whilst it is factually correct that you state Stoner is the most successful between 2006 and 2012, it could also be factually correst to state that Rossi is the most successful from 2000-2012 which encompasses those years you mention. I do not deny the 06-12 stat is fact, I just think that it gives bias to the peak of stoner. You do make good reasoning though and I realise that you personally don't believe that

leave it be - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 8:11 PM

I THINK WE WILL ALL FIND THAT ROSSI WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL IN THE 800CC ERA STONER DIDNT DOMINATE IT THATS WHY ROSSI WON 2 TITLES AND STONER WON 1 ,ITS NOT ABOUT RACE WINS ASK SCHWANTZ HE WON 1 MORE GP THAN RAINEY BUT IT WAS 3 TITLES TO 1 .

WylieCoyote

November 22, 2012 8:34 PM

During Casey Stoner's seven years in MotoGP he was the most successful rider. He won more races and had more poles and led more laps and had more fastest laps than any of his competition in those seven years. He has been the only rider in those seven years to win a race on two different brands! He has been the only rider in those seven years to win a championship on two different brands. He is the only rider to have won at every venue on the current racing calendar. His achievements are undeniably brilliant and he retires with the knowledge that whilst HE was racing in MotoGP, HE was the best. No harping on about Rossi's past achievements will deny that fact which I will repeat again. Over the seven years Casey Stoner raced in MotoGP, he was the BEST.

let it be - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 8:46 PM

rossi won more 800cc titles fact ,lorenzo won more titles than him fact ,stoner had more dnf than the pair of them put together fact since 96 rossi 125 250 800 500 990 2 stoke four stroke aprillia yamaha honda suzuka 8hr fact stoner couldnt hack it for the long haul spanked by the spainish in the lower series retired mentally blown out fact.

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