MotoGP » Casey Stoner: Six of the best

Neil Morrison picks six of Casey Stoner's best MotoGP races - which of Stoner's performances do you rate the highest?

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rusjel - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 9:43 PM

Er..@let it be...

Rossi and Stoner have the same number of 800cc titles, two.

Rossi won both of his titles on a Yamaha, in '08 and 09. Then anotehr man, Lorenzo won the title on a Yamaha.

Stoner won in 07 on a Ducati and in 2011 on a Honda. No-one, that's right, no-one else was able to win a 800cc title on a Honda or a Ducati. Reflect on this for a moment. Feeling more reasonable now?

Rossi's achievement to come back and win the title after loosing two in a row was a great achievement, as was going back to back.

Stoners achievement in winning titles on bike no-one else was able to win on is also fantastic. I'm not going to try and seperate them.

What everyone can see, is that Rossi made alkinds of clever statements about Stoner before he went to ride the Ducati, which had won three of the last 5 races in the 2010 season and finished second the day before Rossi rode it in the hands of Stoner.

Stoner throws leg over the bike that finished fourth the Day before ( Honda) and instan

rusjel - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 9:48 PM

instantly goes fastest. Pedrosa wasn't the fastest the day before in the race, but Stoner instantly goes fastest.

Rossi is nowhere in the Duke. ANd that's the way it stays for two years.

Whatever people want to say about these two riders, however many titles you want to talk about, these are the facts.

Stoner can get on a substandard bike and win races on it, Rossi cannot. Stoner's genius is in this. Rossis's genius is the way he can get a team around him and put together a great season on a great bike.

Draw your own conclusions from here.

rusjel - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 9:55 PM

And before anyone pops out of the wood work to talk about 2004, read the interviews with Jeremy Burgess where he admits that Fusuwara and his team had the big bang Yamaha enguine and chassis under development before he and Rossi joined the team.

Rossi and Burgess did fantastic work in winning the title in '04, but the bike that raced at Welcom was no substandard machine.

I know I'm asking a lot here but can we just cut the crap and acknowledge what Stoner has achieved? Then when Rossi retires we can do the same for him?

Stonerossiwho - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 10:33 PM

Here is an easy way to finish this discussion once and for all.
Stoner left Ducati to Honda jap bike and 1st year in got 12-16-10 so now that Rossi has left Ducati all he needs to do is better 12-16-10 next year to show he is really the GOAT.

If he can't do that then Stoner beat him on a Itialian bike and a Jap bike.
If he does (and he should by all accounts) the forever he will be the REAL goat and not the fictional goat he's fans make him out to be

Pretty simple and fair to all

Go Dani!!!!!!!!!!


November 22, 2012 10:35 PM

I am not and have never belittled Rossi's achievements. What I have continually defended against is the belittling of Stoner's. Nobody has done better over the seven years he has raced in MotoGP. NOBODY. That is a simple and undeniable fact that "Let it be" once again ignores. In plain English. For the seven years Casey Stoner has raced MotoGP, the statistics alone show him to be the best MOTOGP racer over those seven years. Add the fact he is the only one to win races and championships on two different brands in MotoGP over those seven years. Add the fact he has won at every venue on the current calendar. Once again we have people trying to argue historic statistics from Rossi or achievements outside of MotoGP. In the last seven years in MotoGP, who has done better? Give him the recognition he deserves, it doesn't stop you loving Rossi.

jfc1 - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 10:38 PM

"so if the ducati was the greatest in 2007, why was stoner the only one to make it work? During their time together in motogp, each has 2 titles stoner has 12 more wins than rossi. If rossi was the goat, surely he would have had at LEAST 1 win with ducati in 2 years right??? when he first started, he was on the same bike stoner managed to get 3 wins, 9 podiums. "

Well there are two blatant possibilities.
First, Stoner is far and away the best to ride the Ducati, so much so that even on bikes that handled a lot better he was able to pull some wins. The second is that the Honda and Yamaha have made up the HP and power-control that they lost to Ducati while Stoner was riding it, while Ducati has not made up any ground in handling. And it's still the fastest bike on the straights.

There's also the third option which is that both Lorenzo and Pedrosa are much more reliable riders while still just as fast as before. I personally think that this is the reason that Stoner is quitting: he is

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