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Repsol Honda MotoGP rookie Marc Marquez stops off in Japan ahead of private test at Sepang.

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TalentFan

November 22, 2012 11:55 AM

@ Nick. I've never claimed the boy isn't very talented.

However, I did watch ALL the races, and it was very evident that many riders were harder/later on the brakes, and earlier on the gas out of turns than MM. And MM's bike on the straights was blowing past people regularly with a HUGE speed advantage - are you sure you were watching Moto2? The extra straight line speed MM had - well you just could not fail to see it - its so massive you could swear there's another 15hp under MM's fairing.

Like I said - the lad is very, very talented no doubt. But that is not to say he hasn't had significant advantages in Moto2 - because he has (in my, and a lot of the paddock's opinion as well).

Allknowing - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 12:55 PM

MM is a talent, there's no doubt, and with repsol behind him and in his tank is sure to be a winner. MotoGP needs to bring in a controlled fuel like they have with tyres, one supplier. When fuel for motogp goes down to 20ltrs in 2014 the Repsol hondas with their micro riders will be totally dominant, HRC know this, Ah well thers always 2015 for a level playing field.

Tae Ka - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 1:00 PM

MM is another VR who's a talented rider with no fear and ha ve a load of confidence in him. Most of all his has all the backing the rider need from sponsors, team crew/bosses to be successful on any kind of sport.

iolk - Unregistered

November 22, 2012 4:56 PM

@TalentFan

Race weekend top speeds are readily available on the official MotoGP site. I think you will be shocked to see that Marquez has topped the charts in only two events, and both times by very small margins (once was by 0.1kph). Scott Redding (ie: the person who should be most hampered by weight) was even faster than Marquez's bike at Philip Island - go figure.

The engines are also randomly allocated, and the whole Marquez "cheating" scandal has been put to rest as well.

The kid is aggressive, so I get why some people aren't very fond of him, but let's get two things straight:

1. Nothing about his machine is outside of the rules.
2. Even if he does get special treatment, is this any different than what we've seen in the past?

TalentFan

November 22, 2012 7:26 PM

@ iolk
Nope - not the least shocked by the top speeds. The biggest number game all depends where they measure it (and its usually toward the end of the straight of course). You'll note I've pointed out before that many riders brake later (so are going faster at the end of the straight) than MM - ergo they are faster through the speed trap.

You can see MM is able to go much faster in the middle of the straight - just watch the footage - I'm not making this up!

I'm sure his bike was within the rules. This does NOT mean the Moto2 rules were equitable and created a level playing field though.

No its not different. Its just wrong. Also doesn't mean that because the game has been rigged, that you have to keep it that way now does it.

billace - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 10:40 PM

TalentFan,

If your seeing a speed difference early on the straight it has more to do with gearing choices and the riders ability to pick the bike up and maximize traction. This is especially true in a class like Moto2 with no traction control and spec engines. You are witnessing MM skill and confusing it for some kind of mechanical advantage.

Speeds are much more even at the end of hte straight when top gear is equal and HP and drag have a bigger effect on top speed.

Roadrunner - Unregistered

November 24, 2012 1:59 AM

@TalentFan

It doesn't matter where they break as long as they don't keep the throttle fully open till the point where the speed is measured. And since those points have to be chosen early enough that even MotoGP riders aren't on their brakes there yet ... well, your argument is invalid.

Also, you get the best indication of engine power at the end of the straight (as has already been pointed out) since mass of the riders and other aspects play a bigger role earlier on the straights. If a rider accalerates out of a corner better, he will have an advantage at the beginning of a straight, but that advantage diminishes the longer he has been on a straight.

notAsSmartAsUTink - Unregistered

November 24, 2012 11:52 AM

sorry guys, your reasoning is all wrong in so many different ways. Marc can indeed have more power but not have the gearing to make it as fast as the guys down the straight.

we have seen many times this year Marc sit up, like he knows he can pass people easily and he does, and guess what, its very very difficult for people to pass him because he indeed does have a power to velocity advantage for most if not the whole of a straight.

Best set up bike on the grid for sure, power advantage, as seen on tv, plenty of excuses made for his clearly reckless behavior, makes for quite a poor sport. The people who appreciate marquez appreciate authority and worshiping winners, they are not the kind of people who value reasoning.

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