MotoGP » 'Honda is fair with its rivals, unlike Ferrari'


“At F1, Ferrari has absolute authority. To be honest, we suffered a lot in that period. In MotoGP, Honda is in a similarly strong position but we like to be fair with our rivals” - Shuhei Nakamoto.

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Vilas

November 23, 2012 1:47 PM

Yamaha is allways close, ducati 4exemple had a lot of worck to do!! I remember that Rules are allways changing and trying to create more fights but im history we can wach that Honda never loss many fights, they allways find there way to become competitive again and sometimes they could dislike a lot this rules, infact i think that the bike that Honda have more proud im Motogp 4strokes time was is first creation like the RCV211v that bike the 5 cilinder was ART and Genius at the same time, much more exotic then this recent models that are suffering for the Rules to save Money..

M1M - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 1:52 PM

@Talentfan I agree. What mug thinks that just because a manufacturer's bike wins races that that they make the best road bike anyway? It's not even true in 'production based' WSBK. (A much advertised long life battery is worse than competitors because the company needs to recoup its advertising budget from manufacturing costs.)
@Vilas Honda SBKs have the least in common with their road versions. Testing a Fireblade, I was disgusted to find the standard brakes faded in normal use, (not a track day). Everything is marginal on Hondas. Raise the compression ratio and you need a whole new set of ignition coils etc. That's OK for many, no doubt, but it's also why some of us don't like them.

TalentFan

November 23, 2012 2:02 PM

@ Vilas "he organazacion send the rules the manufacters understand the rules and build there machine with the best they have folling the spec rules"
Vilas - I was hoping you'd be a bit smarter than that. look at what has just happened - Honda has lobbied and muscled its way to get the spec ECU thrown out, and arranged things so that the CRT direction (which was taking control away from the Mfr's) will cease to be.
Can't you see that it is largely Honda who is MAKING the rules? Look - if I invent a game, then adjust the rules so that only I have a realistic chance of success in that game - how would that be fair to you if you played it?
No wonder the Mfr's and corporate people get away with murder if people are so easy to fool.

Vilas

November 23, 2012 2:07 PM

M1M

Everythying have rules m8 this is hower world!! Offcorse one Wsbk bike Motogp bike Etc.. are build to the porpose of each competicion but this is the way people found to manufacters show there Tech and what they can do for the future because Competicion is also a developmente center... About Honda m8 road models i allways liten to good comments everybikes fail but bealivet Normaly what i listen is that Honda is allways stronger well build and with good qualaty packages, the competicion only prove that they could make a lot better if they whant for exemple if the World end at 21-12-12 you can be shure that Honda can put on sale the best bike in the world for circuit but the world will contnued for many years and they made there plans of when to aplly new tech for road.. Also Road models have rules that are made by governaments that force manufactrs to build somethingh more reasonable with more utilaty etc... I mean this is like F1 you never wach F1 cars on road but you take a loock

TalentFan

November 23, 2012 2:12 PM

Vilas - I'll keep it simple.

Imagine a boy in a playing field. He's the spoilt kid and he has a brand new ball. But he tells the other kids "its my ball, and if I can't win then no-one can play, because I'll leave and I'll take my ball away with me".
Picture that kid in your mind. Got it? Now imagine that kid wearing a Honda HRC shirt.
Playground bully tactics on a grand corporate scale - that is what we are witnessing in MotoGP IMO.

Busa Boy - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 2:23 PM

If Honda are manipulating things massively in their favour,why have they only won one Motogp title in the last 6 years?
2007-Ducati
2008-Yamaha
2009-Yamaha
2010-Yamaha
2011-Honda
2012-Yamaha
Hardly going massively in their favour is it?

John doe - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 2:27 PM

Off topic..Imo other mfr's like suzuki, kwsaki, mv agusta, bmw, ktm, aprillia, triumph, seem to lack(or mabe some have lost?) interest in motogp. On one hand, they keep producing sophisticated roadbikes of medium to big displacements, and sell them worldwide, and they make profits of course. O.t.o.h, they have human resources and all the know-how necessary to built it. What takes them so long? budget? i don't know, don't need to know, nor do i have access to their actual financial condition/how badly the economic crisis has affected them, or how good or bad their sales are..etc.., but one thing i believe is that they make profits, and their sales aren't necessarily directly boosted by their participation or their achievements in motogp.
Anyway, maybe it's just me being impatient or too demanding, or me being unable to put things in right perspective.. :)

Vilas

November 23, 2012 2:27 PM

TalentFan

Honda is just defending the tech and trying to let Motogp by like i just say a Mortal Kombat no love lost here...

If Dorna whant to control so importante parts of manufactrs what are manufactrs doing here?? Its better for Dorna do like they did on Moto2 they negociate with Honda to supply engines and then we have a clear fight with everybody with the same Power.. when you talck about lossing on Moto2 you dont talck about Honda or Yamaha you talck about Kalex or Suter because this is the only diference for each bike that can creat advantage or desavantage.. Motogp is more importante then this because it realy is about manufacters fight just send the rules and we try ower best but are saying dont do the worck for us otherwise why we will put hower name here if we dont nhave tolls to fight.. like i say before if Honda is the best and can build better why they will accept rules to be at the same level there is rivals?? What have to happen is the oposite the others have to gro

Vilas

November 23, 2012 2:28 PM

grow.. and was not only Honda that talck about this all manufactrs dont what the same ECU Honda Yamaha and Ducati because this would make they loss there advantage him terms of engine basacly alowing CRTS to become a serious problem

M1M - Unregistered

November 23, 2012 2:31 PM

"About Honda m8 road models i allways liten to good comments everybikes fail but bealivet Normaly what i listen is that Honda is allways stronger well build and with good qualaty packages."

Vilas, allowing for the language difficulties, it seems your problem is you believe the hype and only listen to the good, ignoring the criticisms. Most 'test reviews' are just promotional pieces. Honda infamously withdrew all their advertising from 'Bike' magazine for genuinely testing and criticising their 1000 flat 4 Superdream. I've noticed you also used road bike reviews in the past as a guide to the supposed strengths of BMW's WSBK machines. The differences between the road bikes and SBKs are like chalk and cheese, or in the case of some Hondas, sh1t and Shinola.

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