MotoGP » 'Useful' last test for Hayden 'despite everything'

"Things didn't go as smoothly as we had hoped, but the test has been useful despite everything" - Nicky Hayden.

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Crash test dummies - Unregistered

December 01, 2012 9:52 AM

I get a bit tired about hearing views about the 90 degree cylinder angle being the cause of poor handling.
In case you hadn't noticed, the WSB Ducati's (& most of their roadbikes) have 90 degree V engines and they handle / corner extremely well.
The difference is they use (until recently) trellis frames that are perfectly suited to this type of design and work extremely well.
The mistake Ducati made was firstly to go to the carbon frame, and then at the instigation of the Rossi mafia, an aluminium one.
Ducati should revert to a trellis frame and then I think you would suddenly see them well back in the game.


December 01, 2012 12:01 PM

As usual, Ducati have let their riders down, turning up to a 3 day test with recycled old stuff.

Is this the frame and swingarm that they tried earlier in the year that Nicky didn't like but Rossi did? When they call it the frame that they used in the latter part of the season, do they mean the same frame that they tried earlier in the season? Anyone know?


December 01, 2012 12:05 PM

'Ducati should revert to a trellis frame and then I think you would suddenly see them well back in the game.'

How I wish they would CTD.
My understanding is that they turned away from the Trellis Frame because they couldn't make two with exactly the same characteristics.

trellis is crap - Unregistered

December 01, 2012 10:42 PM

the reason ducati ditched the trellis is because it is crap for GP racing. First, because they are just bars welded together, there is no consistency between machines so it was difficult to identify problems. also, in order to brace a weak point, you simply added support, this maze of tubes made it very difficult to service the bike under race conditions as well. the trellis is old tech and not used in GPs or WSBK by Ducati anymore. the reason the "trellis" bike was good was because (a) the tires were not as advanced (b) the electronics were not as advanced and (c) they were on the 990s, so brute power still counted for something, the tires went off and the electronics didn't compensate over the duration of the race... now you have to have perfect setup and then you just bang off the same lap 30 times then hit the showers.

rotsa ruck - Unregistered

December 02, 2012 10:38 PM

I agree with codger and CTD. Only bring back a trellis frame for Nicky to try. He never rode it, having started with the carbon frame in 2009. Casey chose the carbon frame because it was more consistent than the trellis. Nicky actually went faster on it than he did on the aluminum frame. I don't know, but that tells me the carbon frame was perhaps better than the aluminum though needed some further sorting out. Maybe Ducati should make one of each, with the same dimensions available for a test with all the riders and let them choose which one feels best. Then they could concentrate on the one that gets the most votes. At least that would be a start to going in the right direction. Right now they're still seemingly standing still.

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