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“[Suzuki] are asking us to have some testing during the 2013 season and if everything goes well maybe we will see them in 2014” – Carmelo Ezpeleta

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Makrus - Unregistered

December 11, 2012 12:48 PM

That's a pretty big if dext37. You think Honda will back down and accept full controlled ecu once carmello has the power to change the rules as he sees fit?

TalentFan

December 11, 2012 1:12 PM

@ Makrus "You think Honda will back down and accept full controlled ecu once carmello has the power to change the rules as he sees fit?"
I'd like to see Ezplezeta and Dorna take the bull by the horns and actually call Honda's bluff on this. Instigate the rule fully and then let Honda decide what they do - stay or go.
Honda seem to ignore (or play down)the fact that MotoGP provides the Stage they need to demonstrate their Technology and Brand - no series, no stage. If they walk then I think it might be the best thing for the series long-term to have control and the destiny back in the hands whose interests are best served by decent racing.
Honda aren't anything like as strong a force in any other racing series... so perhaps they are so hell-bent on throwing weight and money into MotoGP is more to do with preserving their Rep? After all - take away their big budget advantages in MotoGP, and Honda's profile is a lot lower? Its worth opening the wallet to make sure they retain their l

TalentFan

December 11, 2012 1:14 PM

cont.....

Its worth opening the wallet to make sure they (Honda) retain their lofty position in MotoGP looked at like that now isn't it?

I think Dorna have a much stronger position than they realise, and should exercise it. Make the needed rule changes to make the racing fairer and more competitive, and let the factories (Yam as well as Honda)deal with it as they see fit.

Makrus - Unregistered

December 11, 2012 1:22 PM

Couldn't agree more. Even if honda aren't bluffing by the sounds of it a few more manufacturers will join and the racing will be competitive everyone wins.. Except probably Honda.

petrolbonce

December 11, 2012 2:52 PM
Last Edited 624 days ago

"The main thing is to have more competitive races. If we can do that with more manufacturers than all the better, but having competitive bikes is the key."

Which argues against limiting each factory to four bikes. It wouldn't matter how many bikes any given factory entered just so long as the races are interesting. So if the three factories we have want to enter more than four bikes each and can afford to do so, why stop them?

Yes I know it was strongly rumoured that the four bike rule was introduced as a sop to those teams who wanted to retain the rookie rule, but the rookie rule was bloody stupid. It had potential to actually restrict competition and excitement and only lasted for three seasons. It should have been killed off and there was no need to offer anything to those who wanted to keep it.

Perhaps one good idea would be to try to encourage Suzuki and Kawasaki to come back as engine suppliers. And to get BMW, Aprillia and anybody else who could make the grade to join in too.

Pam

December 11, 2012 2:55 PM

I would agree. I think Honda are bluffing and would fall in line with a set of rules and regs that make for better racing. Their claim that they race to do research for their street bikes makes no sense. If they wanted to test for improved fuel economy and TC, seems to me there are better ways to achieve that then by racing in motogp....like in the world that most of their customers exist.

petrolbonce

December 11, 2012 3:49 PM
Last Edited 624 days ago

@TalentFan you have to remember that Honda alone of all the major teams there have ever been in the sport have previously threatened to leave because of a rule change and have followed through on that threat.

Back when the FIM threatened to limit the number of cylinders and gears in each class, allegedly to make the sport cheaper and more competitive (ring any bells?) Honda threatened to leave if they did. The FIM called their bluff then and Honda walked. They may do the same again. Maybe they don't have as strong a personality as old Soichiro at the helm now, but it's still a precedent.

However things don't work now like they did in the sixties. Back then the FIM had almost absolute control, now there is the GPC. Dorna, IRTA, the FIM and the MSMA are all represented on the GPC. As such Honda have considerable influence on the GPC (as do Ducati and Yamaha) through their representation by the MSMA and IRTA. Remember the representatives of these groups have to speak for their members.

TalentFan

December 11, 2012 4:37 PM

@ petrolbonce "you have to remember that Honda alone of all the major teams there have ever been in the sport have previously threatened to leave because of a rule change and have followed through on that threat."
Yes, I am aware of this (bit before my time tho). This is only a problem though if it is certain that if Honda did walk, that it is to the detriment of MotoGP. I'm no insider so can only comment on generalities and overview - but the long-term view I have is that losing Honda (or indeed ALL the factory efforts might actually BENEFIT the sport. Why? Because it would enable the rules to foster close competitive real racing, not a 3-tier farce. This improves the spectacle and the appeal to independent teams and sponsors alike. Much more of the racers in the field wld have the chance to really compete as well. It may be a pipedream, but its better than what we have now IMO

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