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You vote Nicky Hayden 10th in's MotoGP Rider of the Year poll

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99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 8:10 PM

A bikes ability isnt based entirely on top speed.
Quite right.
So why is it that certain people on this site always sight the top speed of the Ducati as the reason Stoner won the 2007 title?
Either the bikes top speed advantage is the deciding factor or it isnt.You cant have it both ways.

jasonlewis - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 9:56 PM

Barbera and Abraham aren't factory riders. Put Nicky on the Honda and he wouldn't win races or the title, but he would be among the fastest non-aliens for sure. I still consider him one of the very best in the world in talent and skill. Can't wait for him to get the hell off the Ducati and go to WSB or a better ride in MGP(not likely). He's wasting his prime years on that red clunker

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 10:00 PM

Vince,you just stated that a bikes ability isnt based on top speed,yet you seem to now be one of those who claim that the Ducatis top speed is what made Stoner win.The Ducati was fast in a straight line,but that advantage was negated by the Yamahas superior cornering ability.If the top speed was such an advantage in 2007,why did Capirossi finish so far behind Stoner on an identical bike?
Yet when the Ducatis great top speed is mentioned for this season,it some how doesnt count!
It is quite obvious to me that Stoner was the factor that made the difference,not a top speed advantage.Otherwise we should have seen a Ducati one/two in 2007 but we did not.Stoner beat his team mate by 199 points.

Vince - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 10:19 PM

The point I made was that in 2007 the Ducati had a significantly larger top speed advantage over the rest of the field than the modern Ducati. Top speed isnt eveything but it is a factor.

It's possible to accept the the 2007 Ducati had a significant speed advantage whilst noting that Stonermade the difference with his ability to also make it go fast in the corners.

Vince - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 10:25 PM

Anyway, my original point is that the Ducati in 2012 and the 2007 Ducati were both the fastest bikes on the straight in those seasons. However there is a difference between being 20kph faster than the rest (2007) than 5 or 6 kph faster than the rest (2012)

Hemmy - Unregistered

December 22, 2012 10:31 PM

@Vince 'The difference between the 2007 and the modern Ducati is quite large. Casey Stoner had a 20kph advantage over the rest of the field'

Sorry Vince but this is a myth thats total and utter nonsense.

The Ducati has always been fast in a straight line. It was back then, and it still is now. But lets not forget that its not purely the bike that acheives these 'top speed' figures. The riders have a lot to play in acheiveing the quoted figures.

And please can you enlighten us as to when 'Stoner had a 20kph advantage over the rest of the field'? This comes up quite often, but its utter nonsense of the highest degree.

He beat his team mate with ease each and every year at Ducati. Hayden is in fact the only variable that is a constant when comparing Stoners time on the Ducati to Rossi's. Stoner beat him with ease, whereas Rossi struggled somewhat, despite having much more support and resources available than Hayden. It went down to the last race in 2011, and he onyl beat him by a

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