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How 2013 Factory Yamaha team-mates Jorge Lorenzo and Valentino Rossi compare in the premier-class

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Bob agg - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 11:50 AM

@ cockroach
I was paying attention, the other poster's comment was at least related to the original thread as it was regarding the current crop of riders which includes Rossi and Lorenzo. However to bring stoner and doohan in to the mix was as I previously stated completely irrelevant as they (in case you haven't heard) are both retired from motorcycle .
And at no point have I claimed to be an expert, I just prefer when discussions stay ON topic.

J - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 1:58 PM

@ Dude please

...and you sir are an idiot.... Rossi took them out of 11 years of non title contention! plus no podiums at all in 2003!!
Yamaha did not want to let Rossi go and welcomed him back for 2013. The Japanese have not forgotten what Rossi has done for them!!

Your debate is different! Should Rossi have gotten a premiere seat after his struggles with Ducati in 2011 and 2012 is a whole other argument and apparently whatever happened at the end of 2010 was not enough of an issue to prevent Rossi and Yamaha to re-enter their long successful union!!
PS.. Fortunately for us your opinion is not worth squat when contracts are signed and the interested parties have decided against your advice or suggestions.

J - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 2:07 PM

@ Bikenut

Hey brother, i agree and said that in a previous post but the debate between me and another poster was that we can only compare the years they were racing together...which I agree with because we cannot compare 2 different eras when riders did not directly compete...
I stated on this thread in a previous post that even with the 3 years they competed on the same equipment might not be fair because JLo was a rookie when he started. Problem is everyone wants to use whatever situation suits them and in the end it is all subjective not objective.

Your suggestion will appease some but not all because Rossi has not raced on the new Yamaha 1000s and arguably he will need time to re-adapt after 2 years at Ducati so there is no definitive answer and there will always be holes in the debate..

J - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 2:16 PM

@ Bikenut

I suppose we could use 2009 since JLo was not a rookie! but the answer is clear and some would say why not use 2010 as well, that is still debatable because Rossi broke his leg and arguably the title was out of reach by the time the leg was not an issue (even with the shoulder aside)...
so there is no one answer and again people will use whatever stats suit their reasoning.

2014 would be ideal because Rossi would have a year back on the new Yamaha 1000 bike and should be ready to give it a go! but what if he or JLo is injured for or during 2014 then the stat would again be debatable and no one would ever be pleased. See what i am saying?

Megalol - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 4:15 PM

From 1968 to 1972 Agostini won 10 wdcs in 5 years because he was competeing in 2 classes. 350cc and 500cc. Keep in mind this. It is difficult to compare him to todays riders. Imagine the aliens now competing in more than 1 class. Sure they would also get more championships.

R6ryder - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 7:39 PM

I will say that the season averages for VR have dropped considerably. His avg win per season, podiums and fastest laps and pole have all went down . If we looked at his numbers at the same point Lorenzo is in his career he would be close to 10 wins per season. My point is, Lorenzo has not been in motogp long enough to make accurate assessments. Just like up till the leg break rossi had 16 wins to Lorenzo' 4/5 wins. It's fun to see stats but if u want fairness look at rossis stats at age 25 or 26. They were much better. He had a 75% podium percentage and over 50% win

Roman - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 11:56 PM

Obviously the last two seasons have killed Rossi's averages. Only a ***** would believe that Lorenzo is faster than the G.O.A.T! Rossi past his prime is still as good or better than anybody else out there.

I've not seen anything that would suggest Lorenzo or Pedrosa are any better at battling with Rossi today than they were a few years ago. They just look better to some people because their only competition as of late has been Casey Stoner. Rossi FTW 2013!

XXX - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 2:26 AM

There is only one statistic that matters to every rider, moreso to champions. This is championships. Rossi, nine championships. Lorenzo, two championships. End of story. A rider will win all sorts of statistics but if he's not a champion, then those stats are useless. Championships are the only stats that counts, especially for those riders who have been champions. Race wins Bens Spies while podium and poles are for Karel Abraham.

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