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Who beat Casey Stoner, and when, as a MotoGP team-mate

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herewego - Unregistered

January 10, 2013 12:55 PM

Hemmy - You can LOL all you like! Why do racers race? Probably to win races and win championships!! Still only 2 for Casey no matter what you all come up with!!

Codger

January 10, 2013 1:02 PM

@ Hemmy...you are flogging a dead horse, the answer (as well you know:))is nobody.

This thread is about Stoner and how he fared against his team mates. The first poster mentioned Rossi and then everyone else has joined in.
1 Rossi hasn't been Casey's team mate.
2 Casey's stats are boosted by 2 exceptional years.
3 Stoner retired because, no matter what he did, he didn't get the recognition that he felt that he deserved.

Conclusion? Casey's fans seem to share point 3. They keep on and on telling us that he is/was the best. Doesn't his record speak for itself?

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

January 10, 2013 1:36 PM

Stoner could never be successful without traction control .XXX.

Hey XXX,do you want me to let you in on a secret?
ALL RIDERS USE TRACTION CONTROL,NOT JUST STONER!!!!!
There,not hard to understand is it?
But anyone who has been paying the slightest bit of attention over the years will know that Stoner used less than anyone else.But dont let that little fact stand in your way.

Stavros - Unregistered

January 10, 2013 1:49 PM

@ Codger

1 - Because Rossi vetoed it. He stopped Stoner gong to Yamaha and then didn't have the balls to go to Ducati until Stoner left, which was a very wise decision.

2 - Rubbish. Stoner won multiple races every year he was in the top class even in the years he was I'll or injured. In fact the 'exceptional' year was 2011 where he 'only' won 3 races and got 9 podiums. Rossi put that achievement into perspective the very next year.

3 - Rubbish also. The main reasons he cited for retiring was that he had lost he passion for racing and wasn't happy with the direction of the sport.

Elton - Unregistered

January 10, 2013 2:01 PM


"@ Elton, still just the 2 world titles though not matter what you say!!
Posted by herewego - Unregistered (2 hours 0 minute ago)"

@ herewego. Just as I suspected, either not interested in, or not bright enough to understand the answer the question you yourself posed.

Hemmy - Unregistered

January 10, 2013 2:36 PM

LOL @ herewego

Ok ill answer your question if you answer mine.

In answer to your question, 'what to racers race for?'. Of course, their aim is to win as many races as possible. And of course they also aim to win championships. Which is more important? Well the logical answer to that for me and you and the rest of joe public is championships, but you may very well get a different answer if you ask the top riders/drivers in motorsport the same question. Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso and in fact Stoner and Lorenzo have all recently stated that their main aim is to win races and if the championship comes to them in the end its a bonus.

Ive raced at regional level at best (dont laugh please), and my aim was again to win as many races as possible (although i didnt get close to a win, maybe down to my bike, but again, please dont laugh :-)).

So, can you answer my question now please? You say Stoner 'only won 2 championships', yet so did Rossi and Lorenzo during that time too, only they didnt w

Codger

January 10, 2013 2:42 PM
Last Edited 685 days ago

@ Stavros
I'll have to concede point 1. My point 1 still stands, you merely added a comment on it.
Point 2, I maintain that the stats are biased. Although true we still have to consider that Casey didn't win more than anyone else in the period between his Title winning years. The years were still good but it doesn't negate my point 2.
Between the Title winning years:-
Rossi ... 17 wins
Jorge ... 14 wins
Casey ... 13 wins
Dani ... 8 wins

Point 3 I didn't say was the main reason. It was the first reason given though.

Not fair of you to use the word 'rubbish'.

Were you trying to prove that I'm correct with my conclusion?

Codger

January 10, 2013 3:28 PM

It's the close season and I've got nothing better to think about.

After my response to Stavros I was interested to add in 2012 results. So in Casey's non-Title winning years we now have :-

Lorenzo ... 20 wins
Stoner ... 18 wins
Rossi ... 17 wins
Dani ... 15 wins

Casey totally dominated in 2007 and 2011 but I was surprised to see how close it has been in the other years.
Respect to Stoner in that he is still 2nd even though the Ducati went down hill.

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