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Who beat Casey Stoner, and when, as a MotoGP team-mate

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Elton - Unregistered

January 11, 2013 10:55 AM

@ herewego

"but overall it does come down to world titles, much the same in all sports"

Cool so you would agree that Agostini is clearly the GOAT, the best rider ever and unlikely to ever be headed? Yeah right. You would say Rossi is better because the competition was harder when he won his titles than when Ago won his. But then I look at many of Rossi's titles and remember the 'overnight Rossi special' Michelin tyres he got flown in when much of the field didn't even have access to his B spec tyres, and that he had it written into his contract that his team mates would not receive equal treatment. And the titles he won on the v5 Honda, which not only had an extra cylinder compared to the rest but also half the field were still two strokes for a while! Since the introduction of the control tyre Rossi has been outdone by riders such as Stoner and Lorenzo, so how can he be considered the GOAT? See the problem, you can'y have your cake and eat it too.

People with little knowledge of GP

Elton - Unregistered

January 11, 2013 10:57 AM

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People with little knowledge of GP will look at only numbers to determine their opinions, people who know the sport will understand more about the circumstances, and have a better basis to compare the riders. Those people say Hailwood was the best ever, despite the numbers, and that Stoner was the only modern day rider that could compare to him.

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

January 11, 2013 11:32 AM

Well said Elton.
As i said in a previous post,Rossi fans love to shove the "9 world titles" stat in peoples faces,yet when Ago and his 15 world titles is brought up,they say stats dont count!
What they really mean is only Rossi stats count,noone elses do!
Talk about blinkered fan worship.

Codger

January 11, 2013 12:45 PM

@ Elton .....Whilst I agree that I have little knowledge of GP, I do however span many eras. I can confidently say that Hailwood was the best ever. I base it on what he could do on any track with whatever bike he could lay his hands on, and against allcomers, in all classes.
Who has been saying that Stoner is the only modern rider to compare with him? The 3 and 1/2 Aliens don't compare at all. Not because they are not as good as Mike, it's simply because they don't ride more than one class, and they don't compete against guys in the lesser Series. And of course the don't do the IOM.
If they were to go back in time, they'd do OK against riders in Hailwoods' era.

Codger

January 11, 2013 12:51 PM

@ 99...What you say is true enough and it gets a bit tiresome. I hope you are not one of the Stoner fans that keep on and on about how Casey won more races etc. than anyone else. That gets a bit tedious too.

We all have our favourites, I know, and I've patiently been waiting for 3 years to see threads where I can rave about Dovi. Maybe this year.

herewego - Unregistered

January 11, 2013 1:19 PM

I've had enough of this now as it is getting boring! It will be who did what to who on what corner in which race which sorts out who is best next!! Mind you if it gets to that, Valentino wins hands down!! Ha Ha !!!!!

Elton - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 6:04 AM

@ Codger

"Who has been saying Stoner is the only modern rider to compare with him" re Hailwood

I've heard this expressed several times by several sources, that Stones talent is the best since Hailwood and perhaps rivals Hailwood. The latest article I've tread that compares them is on Motorcycleusa.com , go check it out.

Myke

January 12, 2013 7:23 AM

Cool so you would agree that Agostini is clearly the GOAT, the best rider ever and unlikely to ever be headed?

Well he was able to defend a title which Stoner couldn't do, and did win lower class titles which Stoner also couldn't do, sorry matey but Stoner was never truly dominant at the top level of the sport, best Aussie GP rider, 5 titles have me looking at Doohan, only other rider in modern times to defend a title, if you can't defend it was it ever truly yours? this is the obvious flaw in the Stoner fans argument, Rossi successfully defended 5 titles...
As for the Hailwood comparison, give me a break, you guys just want it too much, unlike the focus of your admiration...
Where is his great Aussie V8 drive? Only news I heard was he p!ssed them off by slagging them in the media and lost credibilty in the pits, what a winner....

Elton - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 10:04 AM

And yet people generally don't rate Ago as the GOAT despite his all conquering numbers do they, which was my point. I wasn't rating Stoner above Ago.

If you can't defend it was it ever yours Lol, dumbest comment ever. I guess riders should have to win the title twice in a row to be called a world champion then, better yet just extend the title to a 36 race season! Feeder class wins don't mean squat when you're talking about the great riders of the sport, Biaggi, Nieto Mang etc will never be rated alongside guys like Lawson and Rainey for that very reason despite having far more 'overall' wins. Not that any of the above would have won titles given the bikes Stoner had to ride in the lower classes.

As for Stoner and Hailwood, Stoner actually leads Hailwood by one on the top class wins list, but with 2 titles vs 4, though in Hailwoods day championships were often 10 races pr less. But people who have seen them both rate them as the most talented with Spencer also right up there to,

AntG - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 6:41 PM

As much as I admire Stoners ability on the bike, the only thing he has in common with Hailwood is that he can ride a not so perfect bike fast but that's it. Hailwood was revolutionary, he was spinning the rear tire around corners long before Stoner and co were born, he used lean angles that no other rider at the time could get close to, he won top level races after a decade away from racing bikes, one of which was the 1979 TT on board a state of the art RG500 12 years after he'd last ridden a Grand Prix bike, I'm pretty confident there's not one active rider who could do that. Even the Valenteeny Boppers go into hiding when Hailwood is mentioned because they know they can't argue that their idol is a mere pretender to the great man.

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