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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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cassyo

January 09, 2013 9:23 AM
Last Edited 596 days ago

As I've read here, it is understood that only Honda will have to support the 4 litre penalty, should they stick with their proprietary electronics system beyond this year.

Jon M - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 9:23 AM

Wait a minute.
They're saying that if a manufacturer supported team ran the control ECU they'd get the 4 litres of fuel back?
Surely not! A Tech 3 Yamaha with a control ECU and 4 extra litres of fuel would be considerably quicker than the factory bike over race distance.
The fuel cap doesn't limit just outright performance but makes the bikes harder to ride as they have be to be 'leaned off' when not on the throttle.

Must be a mistake. I thought it was simply a rule for CRT teams. If you put your engine up for claiming then you're allowed extra gas to level the playing field.

Trippy04 - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 9:44 AM

CRTs will stick with the complete version of the ECU next year and get four litres of fuel to compensate.
Honda, Yamaha and Ducati will def. continue with own software, inside control ECU hardware.
The grey area is if a new manufacturer (Suzuki, Aprilia) wanted to officially enter motogp but also use the full stock ECU.
would they get the extra 4 litres???

shuggiemac

January 09, 2013 9:56 AM

@cassyo - you read it wrong. The ECU is compulsory for everyone including Honda from 2014. If a team decides to keep their own software on the control ECU from 2014 then they will face the penalty. As it stands no matter what Honda will not be allowed to use their own hardware.

It all seems like another load of complicated interfering. I am just glad I saw GP racing in its hey day when the bikes really were prototypes and we got to see something unsanitised by a commercial committee.

ellis - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 2:40 PM

I really just don't understand, why complicate it so much, the huge cost is the rider aids, ban them, very simple! Even the f1 asked the fans and over 90% said get rid of the driver aids. The really sad thing is the people who come up with this stuff now run wsb. This is are much loved sport, the manufacturers shouldn't have the last word, we should! We buy the bikes and the sponsors products because we love racing. MotoGP is boring and needs fixing but not by complicating it, it needs simplifying. If costs are 2much don't restrict this and restrict that give them a budget cap and give the bikes back to the riders.

nealio

January 09, 2013 2:49 PM

100,000 euros? Is that a misprint? Wasn't Dorna trying to bring down costs in MotoGP? Another rip-off and now they have WSB to milk as well, I pity the smaller teams in both series.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 3:04 PM

ellis wrote: "This is are much loved sport, the manufacturers shouldn't have the last word, we should! We buy the bikes and the sponsors products because we love racing. MotoGP is boring and needs fixing but not by complicating it, it needs simplifying. If costs are 2much don't restrict this and restrict that give them a budget cap and give the bikes back to the riders."

Absolutely! And by giving the bikes (by which i assume you mean control of the bikes) back to the riders, this means that you HAVE to take away the Software, and seal the ECU's with a universal single map IMo. let the teams & rider set up the bike the old fashioned-way as a compromise for the lap/race, and then its up to the rider to mnake the best use of what he has on the day. That'd improve the racing at a stroke I think (so the factory teams would hate it).

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 3:14 PM

Seems to me that the ECU just provides the facility (& this ECU is clearly top kit) - its the Software loaded that is the key element. So, the spec ECU won't hold back a factory team one iota - only the fuel restriction will do that?

If the software is as uber-sophisticated (or more so) as it is now (meaning that the bikes can be set up for every inch of track, and the system can compensate for a myriad things to optimise the bike throughout the race on the fly?) then the ECU solves next to nothing?

If my laymans understanding is correct, then MotoGP will remain boring and processional as long as multiple & adaptable software maps, gyros, timers, sensors and adjustments etc. are optimising the bike constantly. Why? As there is next to no room for the riders skill (or mistakes) to come into play to gain or lose advantage. If so, what's the point of it?

Jon M - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 3:42 PM

TalentFan, I think you're 100% right. It's the constant hunting for a setup which requires dedicated teams of technicians and hours on track.
Electronics should be almost' homologated at the beginning of the year with a choice of perhaps 5 maps, and the team can only use those all season- with the option to review the maps after 6 races.

Monsoon, rain, low grip, full grip, qualifying?

Ban GPS and active suspension, setup should come from linkages, springs, dampers and swingarms. They'll still be a million combinations when you take gearing, ride height etc into account but electronics shouldn't be what they are now.
If you can buy a BMW/Aprillia/Ducati for 15,000 GBP with TC and anti-wheelie it's criminal that an ECU is anymore than 25,000GBP.
Simple and effective, please.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 4:00 PM
Last Edited 596 days ago

Jon M - Your in the wrong class, GPS and active suspension are banned from GP but active in WSB.

100k gets you a system, software and technicians included, consider how much the techs will be. Add to this all the previous data from tracks collected by Yamaha and Ducati for the last few years, those algorithms that work out where the bike is take a lot of writing. Just look at Bosch last year.

Only MSMA members can use their own software (the expensive bit) can not must, for a maximum of 4 bikes, and the trade off is fuel. Suzuki is not an MSMA member, they will get 9 engines and decide themselves what status they come in as. Register as CRT and risk getting your engines nicked or a manufacturer.
Like F1 complicated rules for complicated bikes with trade offs.

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