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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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RSMick

January 09, 2013 5:15 PM
Last Edited 466 days ago

Lets breathe, the factories R&D departments pay the big chunk for the racing . Here they search for new avenues, new ideas and develope existing. This also provides a training bed for new engineers.
Yes they can do it somewhere else, take their budget and stop racing, no fatory Motogp or WSB.
What better way to develope than try to get an engine to rev at 15000rpm for 80 miles and only burn 20 litres of fuel, at the same time get you bike round the track faster than anyone else. It involves everyone from composites down to Bridgestone, why do you think Bridgestone provide for free? The software guys are leaning off the power and fuel when it is not necessary, something the rider cannot do, without this they would not make the end of the fuel wise and probably physically.
(Christ the edit window is bad on this)

ellis - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 5:25 PM

MotoGP needs to look at bsb, they have listened to what the fans want! If MotoGP don't wake up like f1 did then they may manufacturer's but they won't have people watching or sponsors. Tc, anti wheelie and all the other stuff is not for racing.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:26 PM

I guess it all comes back around to the same thing... that the rules are being designed to meet the wants and demands of the factory's, despite the fact that those rules would be to the detriment of the alleged purpose of MotoGP - which is (again) RACING.

Which brings us full circle to what I've said before... we cannot and will not ever have MotoGP as a viable and decent race series, as long as the factory's call the shots, and the rules pander to their needs, not the needs of racing.

I still remain to be convinced that, if the factory's left MotoGP, that there wouldn't be a raft of top wuality teams and technology and innovation, together with new sponsors attarcted by the potential for more affordable and FAIR, COMPETITIVE and attractive RACING to fill the gap.
F1 manages to do this very well indeed (I know its not quite the same scenario) - does the fact that its not all Factory Teams and control in F1 mean its not viable. Seems not.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:39 PM

I think what it is, is that I want race teams to be there because they want to RACE. Yes, they have to be able to make it pay and make a living, but the Fausto Gresini's & Luccio Cechinello's of this world are there to RACE.

Honda & Yamaha seem to be only there to develop technology and 'prove' by whatever means possible that they are better than the other guy. its like the racing is an inconvenient irritant. It should be the reason they are there, but its not.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 6:05 PM
Last Edited 466 days ago

The software rule in the spec ECU was introduced to pacify the manufacturers, they asked for 5 engines to justify going racing, Dorna wanted spec ECU to so the teams could get a good deal. The factories also want to continue to develope their own software, hardware is not important but the I/O of that is, and this will limit how much sofware can be written, if you don't have an encoder to tell you how far over the bike is leaning, you cannot guess it, and it goes deeper than that.

Take the factories out of racing, another technological house will replace them and the one who does it best will win. THATS WHAT GP is about, F1 is the same the only thing that has changed there spec ECU but then add on things like DRS and Kers, and maufacturer the racing with tyre degredation. Still you get half cars finishing 3 laps down and that is OK?
BSB are able to do this because this is what SBK's is supposed to be about, getting the best out of what you get over the counter.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 6:12 PM
Last Edited 466 days ago

WSB pushed it the way it was becoming, starting when Octogen/FGS ran the championship.
WSB is in the same boat, the only teams you have there now are official or satellite, Ten Kate slightly different and it shows but they too this year will have Cosworth ECU with HRC software, probably from the GP bike.
WSB was never supposed to be like it is but now has more electronic aids than GP, and all you seem to need to do is produce 150 photocopies of your bike. It has just become somewhere to put your failed GP bike. (kwack,Aprillia,BMW)
Take a look at the difference between a WSB bike with standard electronics, Grillini and the other BMW's.
So if you don't want them in Motogp you certainly don't want them in WSB.
Here is another corker the Indian round is in doubt, Flamini didn't take into account customs laws when he signed the agreement, logistically it is almost impossible and Dorna are working like mad to make it happen. Also it looks financial bonds are requred for each bike for the ac

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 8:42 PM

Thing is... they say the spec ECU is BETTER hardware than Yamaha or Ducati currently run. Which suggest that is has masses of features and Inputs/Outputs and processing power.
Which presumably could mean.... that more teams have the facility to have even closer control and regulation over bike set-up to maximise and perfect set-up for every inch of track?
So (if you subscribe to the view that MORE control taken away from the rider is BAD and means more processional events) then I fail to see that a spec ECU is going to do anything at all of any use.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 8:56 PM

@ RSMick "Take the factories out of racing, another technological house will replace them and the one who does it best will win"

Yeah ok. But... I think that there is a fundamental difference. Those that replace the factories will have to comply with the rules imposed by the governing body of MotoGP, and the rules can be implemented to suit the best interests of the Racing, unfettered by having to compromise or abandon them to satisfy the Factory's demands (which is sure as hell NOT what is happening right now IMO).

MotoGP seems to be pretty much a platform to 'demonstrate' the technical ability of the factory's above all. To my mind, a 'demonstration' is not a 'race' nor is it 'competition'.

Am I disillusioned? You bet.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 9:32 PM
Last Edited 466 days ago

Nowhere does it say the ECU is better hardware than what is currently used, so it may and most likely be the software which forms the biggest part. It also states that the stock ECU will be a derivative of this, so it could be a more fixed parameter unit.
If they all had a perfect set up and all equal talent they would all be nose to tail for the whole and waiting for someone to make a mistake.
Translate "Grand Prix" and you get the big prize, its not just about the race, its about getting 3 days (4 in old time) to get everything right and as close to perfect as you can. Its also about new ideas did you see the first carbon brake rider? Rainey was 2 seconds in front at the end of the first lap. Did you see Doohan on the first big bang?
As long as I can remember the races have never been close, there has always been a handfull of riders that are just way above the rest, take Spies in WSB. I think 00/01 were about the closest because 500's developement came to an almost halt.

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