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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:59 AM

"If I want a handicap system I'll watch horse racing."

Then MotoGP is horse-racing (except the handicap is placed on the wrong entrants so its opening up the field rather than closing it).

Is a Gresini rider handicapped compared to a HRC/Repsol rider? YES.

Is ANY Satellite team handicapped compared to a Factory team? YES.

Is any CRT team handicapped compared to a Prototype? YES.

So, is MotoGP a competitive racing series? NO.

Is the spec ECU alone going to do anything significant to improve the situation? NO. (IMO).

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:48 AM

"go and watch club racing"

I do (and will) watch grass-roots racing Mick.

That doesn't mean I'm not interested in and passionate about high-level international racing. Otherwise why would I bother with this?

MotoGP is seen as poor, and not just by me (e.g. Crash's own poll rated it 5.6 /10? for one). So, it makes sense to instigate ways to address that.

It also makes sense to point it out if proposed changes aren't actually in the best interests of the SPORT, in fact the opposite.

All I have done is present a reasoned argument as to why the adoption of this ECU and the retention of TC and all the other expensive custom strategies and software solutions does nothing to help the sport we care about. I'm open to opposing views - but I've yet to see anything that has any weight that might cause me to change my mind.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:37 AM

"People saying how succesful and good F1 is, at the moment its all about when you use your liquorice tyre or DRS. What use are they for a road vehicle?"

Next to none (though the battery and power reclamation tech developed for KERS would be for the new generation of milk floats er hybrids & elec cars which are being flogged as the eco-friendly alternative.

But the primary point is that F1 was trying to genuinely change the rules with a primary view to improving the Racing and the entertainment value for the fans.
That's the key difference here - the genuine attempt to use rules and tech to improve the racing is in F1, but sorely missing from MotoGP.

It can't BE any clearer IMO.

RSMick

January 10, 2013 10:32 AM
Last Edited 649 days ago

Simple, for it to carry on the way its always been since the likes of Norton built their first one off's.
For the race to be a true race where the best engineers and the best rider on that day win the race, and those who are behind strive to beat them within a set of rules. Where a small team of dedicated staff can find something that may help them elevate to a higher position, as any company does.
I want to see riders master bikes and tyres that I could only dream of doing. I have rode production club racing and my son has raced against the likes of Scott Redding and Danny Kent in minibike and minimoto, and you can see what riders at that age stand out. If I want a handicap system I'll watch horse racing.

You mention F1 again, Lotus is a manufacturer and Cosworth has been owned by a manufacturer for years. These have always battled against the might of the manufacturer, enter CRT. If you really passionate about your racing go and watch some club races.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:25 AM

"for a lot of us its about human skill and engineering excellence"

There's plenty of scope for engineering excellence in motorcycle racing without direct factory involvement which is steering that engineering in directions that wreck the purpose of MotoGP (yup, that'll be the racing again).

F1 demonstrates that there are incredible engineering firms doing the development work for factories all the time for a start. There's a long history of the likes of Ford using Cosworth, Lotus etc as one example.

Like F1 and many other racing series - there's no shortage of engineering excellence that could come into MotoGP & might be happy to do so if it was a) affordable and b) not rigged so they haven't a prayer.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:12 AM

If you put the 'best' on a machine that is unassailable & so much better than the bulk of the field - then how do you know he's the best?

For all we know, the top CRT rider, Espagaro MIGHT be better than Lorenzo! We cannot know FOR SURE now can we?

We can say that JL is the best rider on a factory bike, and that the factory bikes are faster and with better tech / rider aids / strategies than anything else. Nothing more than that, as no-one else has a fair shot at racing them.

MotoGp has been like a Le Mans 24-Hr race - except at least there they point out that the cars run in different classes, and that a tin-top isn't classified in the same results sheet as a prototype.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 10:04 AM

@ RSMick "What are the real issue's that they are creating a smokescreen for?"

How much clearer can I make it? The real issues are that MotoGP racing has been & is being compromised to being an uncompetitive farce, while fans are having it sold/marketed to them as a competitive racing series.

Where is the depth of competition? Which riders in 2012 (assuming no team orders or other interference) had a remotely level chance of competing for a dry win? JL, BS, CS & DP - 4 riders (maybe).

My 'agenda' is pointing out that MotoGP isn't being regulated for the benefit of the racing and the fans, but for the Mfrs. What's yours Mick?

RSMick

January 10, 2013 9:55 AM

For you it is, for a lot of us its about human skill and engineering excellence. If you believe there is no human skill involved, then why are there only 4 or 5 or can master these bikes? You may say they have the best bike but they weren't just given them when they decided to start racing, they had to earn them first, the best get the best. Put Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner and Rossi and to some extents Dovizioso on a SBK the result would be the same, as it was when these guys rode 2 strokes.

If you want a more human approach go and watch some MZ racing or type underbone racing in youtube. Even better watch cycling.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 9:50 AM

@ RSMick "TalentFan or is it Citizen Smith?
What better way is there to develope fuel economy strategies?"

How about like they do it anyway? Like by running real-world road testing using real-world engines being developed for road use?

I'm just pointing out that adoption and development of these Software strategies and fuel saving strategies in racing has no other purpose than to make it so that you need to have a massive R&D development budget and team (ergo a massive advantage) to make a racing motorcycle go round and round as fast as possible with a limited amount of fuel. So, the ones who can afford to spend enough and gather enough data and crunch it can get an advantage no-one else has a hope of getting.

So, the factories have 'won' the race before they even leave the pit for Quali in reality. Which means (as I keep pointing out) that its NOT RACING. Its more like a lot of fast televised demonstration laps.

TalentFan

January 10, 2013 9:44 AM

I'm guessing that - if you took away the TC and the ability to fine-tune the bike to maximise it for every second of track time, then the fuel would self-regulate ANYWAY to some degree?

Yes, a human cannot regulate the throttle as well as the computer. So yes, this means that the human may well not regulate the throttle to SAVE fuel quite as well. But... it also means that the human may not be able to OPEN the throttle as HARD, as often, and BURN as much fuel too? Either way, the extra 4L allowance for CRT's proves its not all that big an issue.

The real interest in Racing is about HUMAN endeavour, HUMAN skill, HUMAN bravery, HUMAN effort, HUMAN everything. If it wasn't we'd be seeing stupid raging debates about Honda v Yamaha, not Rossi v Stoner eh?

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