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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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Fuel - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 10:22 PM

Who here actually has a bike? Now of any of you who do have a bike, is fuel economy of any concern to you? I have a bike, it's my toy, never is fuel economy something I care about on my road bike or dirt bike. Repsol sell fuel, why the hell would they want people to conserve fuel and buy less of their product?

RSMick

January 09, 2013 10:06 PM
Last Edited 617 days ago

Your better to read what he actually said on Motogp.com

Your quote "Already better then Yamaha & Ducati have. Quoted by MotoGP's Director of Technology. That hardly suggests a limited I/O Ecu now does it? "

As I said it does not state hardware, what ever I/O it does, have they will all have the same and probably less than what Honda have now, so as I said possibly no fancy gyroscopes for Honda, they can still use it but sacrifice at least 2 analogue channels in doing so. How they use the available I/O though weather digital or analogue is up to the manufacturer, but what they wont have is any more than anyone else. What they can do is write some better software than Magnetti but they will be losing 4 litres of fuel in doing so, what the Magnetti software users will benefit from is feedback from more users, whilst the hardware won't change all year in 14 there is nothing to stop the software for all users getting an update every race.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 9:55 PM

If its close racing you want I doubt GP will ever be for you, the stock ECU means that the CRT teams have a little less headache and a cheaper system. When watching Hernandez from trackside last year it was clear what his problem was, he was giving that bike everything but it was not repsonding has he wanted, the Motec ECU software, Edwards said the same thing about the Suter with its Bosch. Hernadez mid corner looked like the bike was cutting in and out of power, Edwards said he had no idea when in a corner if the power would come on even with the throttle shut.
The top guys are exceptional and very rarely make a mistake, when they do its near impossible to get back if the one in front doesn't falter. Rossi once said you can ride WSB bike 100% 80% of the time, you can ride a GP bike 100% 20% of the time.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 9:38 PM

@ RSMick. Taken verbatim from the article:

"Cecchinelli claimed that the ECU, which is to become compulsory from 2014 - with the notable concession that official manufacturer entries will continue to use their own software - costs 50-100,000 Euros and is "already better than what Ducati and Yamaha have.""

Already better then Yamaha & Ducati have. Quoted by MotoGP's Director of Technology. That hardly suggests a limited I/O Ecu now does it?

RSMick

January 09, 2013 9:32 PM
Last Edited 617 days ago

Nowhere does it say the ECU is better hardware than what is currently used, so it may and most likely be the software which forms the biggest part. It also states that the stock ECU will be a derivative of this, so it could be a more fixed parameter unit.
If they all had a perfect set up and all equal talent they would all be nose to tail for the whole and waiting for someone to make a mistake.
Translate "Grand Prix" and you get the big prize, its not just about the race, its about getting 3 days (4 in old time) to get everything right and as close to perfect as you can. Its also about new ideas did you see the first carbon brake rider? Rainey was 2 seconds in front at the end of the first lap. Did you see Doohan on the first big bang?
As long as I can remember the races have never been close, there has always been a handfull of riders that are just way above the rest, take Spies in WSB. I think 00/01 were about the closest because 500's developement came to an almost halt.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 8:56 PM

@ RSMick "Take the factories out of racing, another technological house will replace them and the one who does it best will win"

Yeah ok. But... I think that there is a fundamental difference. Those that replace the factories will have to comply with the rules imposed by the governing body of MotoGP, and the rules can be implemented to suit the best interests of the Racing, unfettered by having to compromise or abandon them to satisfy the Factory's demands (which is sure as hell NOT what is happening right now IMO).

MotoGP seems to be pretty much a platform to 'demonstrate' the technical ability of the factory's above all. To my mind, a 'demonstration' is not a 'race' nor is it 'competition'.

Am I disillusioned? You bet.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 8:42 PM

Thing is... they say the spec ECU is BETTER hardware than Yamaha or Ducati currently run. Which suggest that is has masses of features and Inputs/Outputs and processing power.
Which presumably could mean.... that more teams have the facility to have even closer control and regulation over bike set-up to maximise and perfect set-up for every inch of track?
So (if you subscribe to the view that MORE control taken away from the rider is BAD and means more processional events) then I fail to see that a spec ECU is going to do anything at all of any use.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 6:12 PM
Last Edited 617 days ago

WSB pushed it the way it was becoming, starting when Octogen/FGS ran the championship.
WSB is in the same boat, the only teams you have there now are official or satellite, Ten Kate slightly different and it shows but they too this year will have Cosworth ECU with HRC software, probably from the GP bike.
WSB was never supposed to be like it is but now has more electronic aids than GP, and all you seem to need to do is produce 150 photocopies of your bike. It has just become somewhere to put your failed GP bike. (kwack,Aprillia,BMW)
Take a look at the difference between a WSB bike with standard electronics, Grillini and the other BMW's.
So if you don't want them in Motogp you certainly don't want them in WSB.
Here is another corker the Indian round is in doubt, Flamini didn't take into account customs laws when he signed the agreement, logistically it is almost impossible and Dorna are working like mad to make it happen. Also it looks financial bonds are requred for each bike for the ac

RSMick

January 09, 2013 6:05 PM
Last Edited 617 days ago

The software rule in the spec ECU was introduced to pacify the manufacturers, they asked for 5 engines to justify going racing, Dorna wanted spec ECU to so the teams could get a good deal. The factories also want to continue to develope their own software, hardware is not important but the I/O of that is, and this will limit how much sofware can be written, if you don't have an encoder to tell you how far over the bike is leaning, you cannot guess it, and it goes deeper than that.

Take the factories out of racing, another technological house will replace them and the one who does it best will win. THATS WHAT GP is about, F1 is the same the only thing that has changed there spec ECU but then add on things like DRS and Kers, and maufacturer the racing with tyre degredation. Still you get half cars finishing 3 laps down and that is OK?
BSB are able to do this because this is what SBK's is supposed to be about, getting the best out of what you get over the counter.

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