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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:39 PM

I think what it is, is that I want race teams to be there because they want to RACE. Yes, they have to be able to make it pay and make a living, but the Fausto Gresini's & Luccio Cechinello's of this world are there to RACE.

Honda & Yamaha seem to be only there to develop technology and 'prove' by whatever means possible that they are better than the other guy. its like the racing is an inconvenient irritant. It should be the reason they are there, but its not.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:26 PM

I guess it all comes back around to the same thing... that the rules are being designed to meet the wants and demands of the factory's, despite the fact that those rules would be to the detriment of the alleged purpose of MotoGP - which is (again) RACING.

Which brings us full circle to what I've said before... we cannot and will not ever have MotoGP as a viable and decent race series, as long as the factory's call the shots, and the rules pander to their needs, not the needs of racing.

I still remain to be convinced that, if the factory's left MotoGP, that there wouldn't be a raft of top wuality teams and technology and innovation, together with new sponsors attarcted by the potential for more affordable and FAIR, COMPETITIVE and attractive RACING to fill the gap.
F1 manages to do this very well indeed (I know its not quite the same scenario) - does the fact that its not all Factory Teams and control in F1 mean its not viable. Seems not.

ellis - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 5:25 PM

MotoGP needs to look at bsb, they have listened to what the fans want! If MotoGP don't wake up like f1 did then they may manufacturer's but they won't have people watching or sponsors. Tc, anti wheelie and all the other stuff is not for racing.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 5:15 PM
Last Edited 559 days ago

Lets breathe, the factories R&D departments pay the big chunk for the racing . Here they search for new avenues, new ideas and develope existing. This also provides a training bed for new engineers.
Yes they can do it somewhere else, take their budget and stop racing, no fatory Motogp or WSB.
What better way to develope than try to get an engine to rev at 15000rpm for 80 miles and only burn 20 litres of fuel, at the same time get you bike round the track faster than anyone else. It involves everyone from composites down to Bridgestone, why do you think Bridgestone provide for free? The software guys are leaning off the power and fuel when it is not necessary, something the rider cannot do, without this they would not make the end of the fuel wise and probably physically.
(Christ the edit window is bad on this)

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:13 PM

RS Mick. To be honest, I don't really have any hope of knowing exactly how the factory teams you mention are funded, but of course I accept that there's commercial interests and agendas in WHY funding is provided.

HRC has Repsol (Oil) Yamaha has well, Yamaha and Ducati has Phillip Morris (Cigarettes) as their Title Sponsors AFAIK. But I accept that there's likely to be many more contributors.

Still doesn't answer why someone would pay to develop algorithms for fuel strategies suitable for a racing engine round a racing circuit - both items that are entirely alien to any real-world scenario where fuel economy development might be of any practical use. But a Sponsor does want air-time and to be associated with a Winner though, right?

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 5:02 PM

For one thing, as i understand it pumping losses from pistons is a big part of efficiency - so a a high-revving engine is a thirsty engine (and why the Honda NC700 has such a (relatively) low-revving lump in it.

According to your argument Mick, then MotoGP bikes should have a 7K rpm ceiling so they are better on juice!

I'm still looking for an acceptable counter as to why getting simple and fixed engine maps wouldn't actually save a load of cash AND actually make the important bit (yup, that'll be the Racing) far better in a single stroke.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 4:51 PM

@ RSMick "There will be many benefits from the challenges the software guys face, its not just about where the bike is as what its doing in any situation. The big challenge is fuel as the world wants economy.
Anybody who complains about electronics should get used to it they are here to stay, if you don't like it throw your PC/tablet,TV,cooker,washing machine etc out the window, sell your car and bike."

I'm not a complete Luddite Mick, but there's gotta be sensible application surely? And lets face it, there have to be FAR better ways to develop useful and practical fuel economy strategies than by hammering a bike at full chat round a racetrack?

This is RACING ffs! The Mfr's can (& no doubt DO) play the fuel economy game somewhere else.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 4:33 PM
Last Edited 559 days ago

It was Haydens and if he had GPS it would not have happened.

SPec ECU means someone will decide what I/O will be allowed so first thing out for Honda is Asimo's gyroscope. With limited I/O there will be limited parameters, I am sure the factory will try and multiplex but that may be policed. The battle will basically become a battle between each factory and Magnetti, but more will be feeding back to Magnetti.
There will be many benefits from the challenges the software guys face, its not just about where the bike is as what its doing in any situation. The big challenge is fuel as the world wants economy.
Anybody who complains about electronics should get used to it they are here to stay, if you don't like it throw your PC/tablet,TV,cooker,washing machine etc out the window, sell your car and bike.

ellis - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 4:32 PM

It was haydons GPS that went wrong so was mapping his anti wheeli, mapping and tc on the wrong corners. Think this is ridiculas should be there wrists that do all this, read an interview with B Smith and it took his tech 3 team 4 hrs of datalogging each track at every track every time. It's up to the rider to do this, not a computer.

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