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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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shamarone

January 11, 2013 12:33 AM

re: "You talk of The manufacturers stranglehold on motogp as if it were a bad thing, the fact is that it has traditionally been a manufacturers stage, an opportunity to show how good they are, I believe the riders and their competitiveness or otherwise is secondary."

see bikenut... isn't a nut at all.

TalentFan

January 11, 2013 9:11 AM

@ Bikenut & Shamarone

"I believe the riders and their competitiveness or otherwise is secondary...."

Then they need an event for people like you where they just have something like qualifying and not bother with that pesky inconvenience of the race.

Even better, they can just use one rider as a control element to take each bike out in turn, so that you'll know which manufacturer's bike is best at the end of all the runs.

Sorry, but for most Fans of bikesport what you say is utter nonsense. It has to be, otherwise places like Crash would not be full of threads arguing about which Racer is better. The interest is in the Competition and the Riders for the vast majority IMO. The Rossi fanbase alone should tell you that.

TalentFan

January 11, 2013 9:15 AM

As I put in another thread...
"As I see it, with the continued adoption of all the rider-aids to keep the factories cheery, then the holy grail for Honda is to perfect a bike that they could Gaffer-Tape your Granny on and it would take itself (& Granny) around the track at race-winning velocity.

It must irk Honda no end that despite the wonders of their machines, its mainly the Riders that attract all the attention and are still (just about) THE vital ingredient in bike racing success. Once they've eradicated the annoying element of a Star Rider, do they hope all the focus will be about about Yam v Honda instead of Rossi v Stoner?"

Bikenut & Shamarone - seems like you must love the above scenario then eh? How many people do you think will want to watch a giant remote control bike zooming around with no human interest element?

TalentFan

January 11, 2013 9:43 AM

People just don't seem to be getting it.

This is not like even 30-years ago, when racing was a good arena for developing bikes that would be useful for the road rider.

Race Bike development and tech now has been WAY beyond what is actually useable away from the track.

So - continuing to say that MotoGP has to be used as a tool to develop the tech even further makes no sense. Do most bikers want to ride a bike that requires no involvement and skill at all? Something about as involving as a kitchen appliance (or a modern city car?)

The focus HAS to change. No-one will want to watch a few very expensive soulless robots that effectively ride themselves. The OTT Tech has to go!

RSMick

January 11, 2013 10:33 AM
Last Edited 647 days ago

TalentFan you are becoming a little obsessed now.

The fact is, you will never replace human reaction on a bike. The logic needed to counteract problems is immense and the processor could not scan quick enough. Ok when a bike starts spinning the back wheel or wheelies.
What it will never be able to do is compensate for braking too hard, pushing the front too hard, a highside, worn tyres etc. They have very advanced systems now and all these things still happen. There are so many IF's involved but it could not react enough. Once a bike is leaning over everything changes, when it brakes everything changes and only human weight transfer could react to any changes, it is a wonderful computer. Just watch Asimo how long it takes to calculate any movement he makes, also how many times he falls over.
A control ECU will whatever you believe restrict that developement, Magnetti/Dorna will decide on the CPU power and memory available.
If it saves any riders life its worth it,

TalentFan

January 11, 2013 11:03 AM

If its about saving a racers life, then the logical extension is to not do it at all.

Look at many of the events/sports Red Bull sponsor. A lot of high risk, adrenalin type events, things that are exciting and celebrate the joy of living.

Red Bull aren't stupid. They are associating a pretty mundane energy drink product with a lifestyle, and it works for them. Red Bull means danger, excitement, edgy, hardcore. Which bike racing needs to mean too.

Do you think Jorge Lorenzo, Valentino Rossi etc. want to be seen increasingly as bit-part players and passengers on a high-tech bike that can be ridden fast by just about anybody? Is that what we fans want (Bikenut & Shamarone excepted of course)?

RSMick

January 11, 2013 11:19 AM
Last Edited 647 days ago

I wasn't referring to the racers so much.
Seriously Talent, the rider is and in our lifetime will be the biggest influence on the bike, for a start he has to have the balls to keep the throttle pinned open, or go through a corner at those speeds, then get his weight and body position correct.
I remember the Illmor and its biggest problem like Edwards last year, car derived software engineers who kept telling him keep the throttle on through the corners, he repilied you go out there and keep the throttle on through the corners. We saw the result when he did.
A diffence between a certain 2 riders on the Ducati, one who could react fast enough and one who couldn't.
I have to leave for Southall now and make the transportation of finished goods even more boring.

TalentFan

January 11, 2013 11:32 AM

Its not about being obsessed Mick. Its just that, despite the woeful state of MotoGP you & others seem hell-bent on supporting elements clearly are detrimental to the competitive racing and therefore the appeal and sustainability of MotoGP.

The fact that the year-on-year spiralling costs and technology in the 4-stroke era have done nothing to improve the racing would indicate its the wrong approach.

Actually, what my question is, is why are you so determined to defend and promote the party line of the manufacturer's in this Mick? You work in software development or similar yes? Do you have a direct involvement with one of the mfrs? Do you work for them or one of their contractors maybe? I don't get why as a racing fan you seem to care more about the technology than you do about the health of the series?

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