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Ioda, Avintia, Forward and PBM to run new MotoGP control ECU system in 2013

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TalentFan

January 09, 2013 4:26 PM

I remeber that MC. yes, he dived into pit lane in Quali to get rid of a guy getting a tow I think.

The ECU map had been employed to maximise the bike for a flying quali lap - by going down Pit lane, he 'confused' the system, so that the bikes set-up was then being altered to suit a different part of the track to the bit he was actually on. This of course resulted in being unable to maximise everything and get the fastest possible lap.

This one incidednt proves just how sophisticated the sustems are, and how dependent the bikes are upon it to gain every advantage.

It also means that as the bike is maximised for every single bit of track, that there is virtually no areas for a competitor to exploit to try and execute a pass - even if they can run fast enough to catch the guy in front (remember Cal being able to close with Dovi several times, then being stuck behind even though he was faster?)

MC - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 4:19 PM

Wasn't there that thing where Lorenzo's bike thought he was on a different part of the track and used the wrong engine map? Or is GPS something else?

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 4:16 PM
Last Edited 601 days ago

The thing is, the spec ECU still doesn't really seem to address anything to improve the competition or the racing?
My point is... all these complicated algorithms so the bike knows exactly where it is on track, and can then take decisions on mapping and adjustments to optimise the bike for every part of a given track... its of zero use for 'development' of technology to filter down to road bike development right? Unless you only ever plan to ride the same route exactly from your house without variation that is!
So.. if it is expensive tech that's only purpose is to maximise a bikes setup for a race at one circuit, and that by doing so it costs a fortune and actually makes the racing rubbish - then why the hell keep it, except to pander to the factory's and let them keep their tech and budget advantages so that its next to impossible for them to be beaten eh?
It seems that this is a fine example of how the factory's run MotoGP really, and that Dorna....

RSMick

January 09, 2013 4:00 PM
Last Edited 601 days ago

Jon M - Your in the wrong class, GPS and active suspension are banned from GP but active in WSB.

100k gets you a system, software and technicians included, consider how much the techs will be. Add to this all the previous data from tracks collected by Yamaha and Ducati for the last few years, those algorithms that work out where the bike is take a lot of writing. Just look at Bosch last year.

Only MSMA members can use their own software (the expensive bit) can not must, for a maximum of 4 bikes, and the trade off is fuel. Suzuki is not an MSMA member, they will get 9 engines and decide themselves what status they come in as. Register as CRT and risk getting your engines nicked or a manufacturer.
Like F1 complicated rules for complicated bikes with trade offs.

Jon M - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 3:42 PM

TalentFan, I think you're 100% right. It's the constant hunting for a setup which requires dedicated teams of technicians and hours on track.
Electronics should be almost' homologated at the beginning of the year with a choice of perhaps 5 maps, and the team can only use those all season- with the option to review the maps after 6 races.

Monsoon, rain, low grip, full grip, qualifying?

Ban GPS and active suspension, setup should come from linkages, springs, dampers and swingarms. They'll still be a million combinations when you take gearing, ride height etc into account but electronics shouldn't be what they are now.
If you can buy a BMW/Aprillia/Ducati for 15,000 GBP with TC and anti-wheelie it's criminal that an ECU is anymore than 25,000GBP.
Simple and effective, please.

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 3:14 PM

Seems to me that the ECU just provides the facility (& this ECU is clearly top kit) - its the Software loaded that is the key element. So, the spec ECU won't hold back a factory team one iota - only the fuel restriction will do that?

If the software is as uber-sophisticated (or more so) as it is now (meaning that the bikes can be set up for every inch of track, and the system can compensate for a myriad things to optimise the bike throughout the race on the fly?) then the ECU solves next to nothing?

If my laymans understanding is correct, then MotoGP will remain boring and processional as long as multiple & adaptable software maps, gyros, timers, sensors and adjustments etc. are optimising the bike constantly. Why? As there is next to no room for the riders skill (or mistakes) to come into play to gain or lose advantage. If so, what's the point of it?

TalentFan

January 09, 2013 3:04 PM

ellis wrote: "This is are much loved sport, the manufacturers shouldn't have the last word, we should! We buy the bikes and the sponsors products because we love racing. MotoGP is boring and needs fixing but not by complicating it, it needs simplifying. If costs are 2much don't restrict this and restrict that give them a budget cap and give the bikes back to the riders."

Absolutely! And by giving the bikes (by which i assume you mean control of the bikes) back to the riders, this means that you HAVE to take away the Software, and seal the ECU's with a universal single map IMo. let the teams & rider set up the bike the old fashioned-way as a compromise for the lap/race, and then its up to the rider to mnake the best use of what he has on the day. That'd improve the racing at a stroke I think (so the factory teams would hate it).

nealio

January 09, 2013 2:49 PM

100,000 euros? Is that a misprint? Wasn't Dorna trying to bring down costs in MotoGP? Another rip-off and now they have WSB to milk as well, I pity the smaller teams in both series.

ellis - Unregistered

January 09, 2013 2:40 PM

I really just don't understand, why complicate it so much, the huge cost is the rider aids, ban them, very simple! Even the f1 asked the fans and over 90% said get rid of the driver aids. The really sad thing is the people who come up with this stuff now run wsb. This is are much loved sport, the manufacturers shouldn't have the last word, we should! We buy the bikes and the sponsors products because we love racing. MotoGP is boring and needs fixing but not by complicating it, it needs simplifying. If costs are 2much don't restrict this and restrict that give them a budget cap and give the bikes back to the riders.

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