MotoGP » Hayden expects 'more focus' after Rossi departure


'We don't have a 'new bike' as such, it hasn't changed a lot from last year, but we're taking small steps' - Nicky Hayden

Sort Comments: Oldest | Newest

Claes

January 16, 2013 6:35 AM

Hi
Honda came out with one new chassi (2013 version) in 2012, and keep that one running this year, Ducati had what 3-4 new chassis 2012 so now they can concentrate one the one they have and fix it, instead of listening to Rossi who do 180 turns every month about what he wants. Concentrate on fixing the bike not fixing Rossi's ego
Cheers Claes

Codger

January 16, 2013 10:15 AM

@ Claes...surely it was nothing to do with Rossi's ego? JB stated that they had reached the limits of the CF frame and he, and Rossi, requested an aluminium frame to widen the 'settings window'. Nicky has said that the new frame improved the front end feel quite a bit, but didn't go far enough. He still can't turn the bike as he wants to.
2 points to remember, Hayden is no faster than he was in 2006, and the Japanese development hasn't stood still.
Ducati were going to let Nicky go if Rossi had stayed, but Rossi left because (as Ducati said themselves) they couldn't promise to deliver the requested upgrades. History has proved them right in that.
My view is that hopes are pinned on Dovi, with Hayden providing experience and backup.
We shall see.

Rob - Unregistered

January 16, 2013 10:49 AM

Many of you guys are just so one sided and biased why even discuss things. Just look at the facts and who really is to blame. Fact is the Ducati engineers have dropped the ball. Not Rossi's fault. If the engineers were competent and actually fixed the bike Stoner would not have left. Stoner won at his usual tracks before he left but at others he was struggling and the bike was very twitchy. I'm sure he was at the very limit.

If a bike has understeer the engineers should be able to fix it. The Ducati engineers obviously have no clue. Everything seems like an experiment. If they were confident they would have kept the carbon frame. Obviously they could not fix the bike so they changed. Rossi was correct in reverting to the Aluminum frame over the carbon as it is standard all others are measured. Honda and Yamaha have decades and decades of historical date when it comes to building frames. New tires didn't work perfect for the Honda in 2012. What did they do? They made chang

Rob - Unregistered

January 16, 2013 10:50 AM

If they were confident they would have kept the carbon frame. Obviously they could not fix the bike so they changed. Rossi was correct in reverting to the Aluminum frame over the carbon as it is standard all others are measured. Honda and Yamaha have decades and decades of historical date when it comes to building frames. New tires didn't work perfect for the Honda in 2012. What did they do? They made changes and what do you know, it worked.

Another fact is the Ducati started going down hill when Stoner signed his last contract with them. His talent kept him at the front where no other Ducati rider could do the same. They didn't improve the bike compared to the others.

Another fact is Bridgestone just makes a tire and everyone has to adapt. Nothing was wrong with the new front tire. It just suited the Yamaha geometry a little better. You could say the old tire fit the Honda better in 2011.

Another fact is that Hayden can't ride the Ducati for more than a couple of laps at t

Rob - Unregistered

January 16, 2013 10:51 AM

than a couple of laps at the limit like Stoner. Rossi could not either but he was faster in the races than Hayden. Why do people think all of a sudden Hayden will turn things around with Ducati. At best he'll finish 3rd but highly doubtful. When he had the best bike at Honda he only got 3 wins. 2 of them coming at home when he knew the track more than anyone. Plain and simple Hayden can only ever hope for is 3rd place in a race. If he was on a Honda this year it would be the same.

Dovi's only chance this year is if he magically adapts which is highly doubtful. Hope he proves me wrong.

Spies should be the most dangerous. He has nothing to lose really. He's going to lay it all on the line if the bike can handle it. If not he'll leave unless Suzuki or Honda rides open up.

Claes

January 16, 2013 1:36 PM

Hi
Codger: JB said that HE can not get it to work, so they started to listen to the Ducati guys at Haydens side, and found a better direction. Now the Carbon frame was not good but Ducati (with Phillip Morris Money) changed to what Rossi wanted (because he was payed to win) because Rossi and JB said we can not sort the Carbon frame, but if you put a Yaonda frame in there we can do wonders. Did they? Both Rossi and Hayden said it was the best so far, but did they improve no. Face it Ducati with Marlboro money tried everything they could to please Rossi which was no particular direction just change of frame parts:) and hoping it would work, because JB and Rossi said it would.:)
What I am saying is that they can work in a direction they want, which mean that the whole Garage including Pramac (because they did not have the frames as Rossi and Hayden) can work together, that is 4 bikes with info Not 1 Rossi 1 Hayden with 2 different directions. This is why Honda and Yamaha is fast to develo

Claes

January 16, 2013 1:38 PM

Hi
What I am saying is that they can work in a direction they want, which mean that the whole Garage including Pramac (because they did not have the frames as Rossi and Hayden) can work together, that is 4 bikes with info Not 1 Rossi 1 Hayden with 2 different directions. This is why Honda and Yamaha is fast to develop because they always have info from or more bikes. This is better than 1 Rossi:)
Cheers Claes

Codger

January 16, 2013 1:56 PM

@ Claes...man I hope you are right in four heads are better than one.

Rossi was not paid to win, he was paid to develop the bike and Ducati couldn't keep up.

I'm not sure whether they went to Ducati confident of mastering it, after all the whole World could see that only one rider could, and then only sometimes. They were confident of developing it though.

I hope the man upstairs looks after Dovi, he's Ducatis' best hope.

Page 4 of 5
« 1 2 3 4 5  »

Join the conversation - Add your comment

Please login or register before adding your comments.

Although the administrators and moderators of this website will attempt to keep all objectionable comments off these pages, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the poster, and neither Crash Media Group nor Crash.Net will be held responsible for the content of any message. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. If you find a message objectionable, please contact us and inform us of the problem or use the [report] function next to the offending post. Any message that does not conform with the policy of this service can be edited or removed with immediate effect.

© 1999 - 2014 Crash Media Group

The total or partial reproduction of text, photographs or illustrations is not permitted in any form.