MotoGP » Ducati won't ditch Desmodromic system

Ducati to stick with Desmodromic valve system for MotoGP engine.

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ooj - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 2:19 AM

If they really wanted to do it the "Ducati" way, they could try going back to steel trellis. Stoner said that with the Steel trellis design, manufacturing consistency was so bad that every motoGP frame handled differently. With Audi's manufacturing experience I wonder if they could make each frame exactly the same.
Basically if they can't design & produce new frames within 2 weeks like the Japanese, they will always be playing catchup.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 4:31 AM

Yamaha's dominance has a lot to do with Bridgestone making their 'select' tire for Yamaha since 2008. Yamaha's clear domination in (beginning of control tire) 2009,2010 and the tire woes of 2012 (lets change the forumla, and see who doesnt have problems with their tires)are all in part due to Bridgestone BUILDING TIRES FOR YAMAHA.

Honda caught up, then they got let go but picked it back up but still have issues, Ducati got left behind in 2009 and have only managed wins with a guy who pisses excellence, and has his way with laws of physics. The control tire is for the status-quo.

Its to keep 'the fans' interested. Its not any coincidence Vale is now Brigestone's rep for their MotoGP tire. Changing their tires for Ducati in 2011 and 2012 would have made too many enemies, so Rossi didnt get an easy go on the bike which is worst suited to the control tires.

recession - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 6:01 AM

I miss the days when dunlop michelin and bridgestone were ALL supplying tires to mototp. These were the days when satellite bikes were still capable of winning races and before the sport collapsed into a 2 bike series (repsol and factory yamaha).

ja - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 9:30 AM

There is only Bernhard Gobmeier the list of new names in the organization Ducati. Paolo Ciabatti , former project manager of Ducati SBK and until last year the director of the championship series of derivatives of Infront, he returned to be part of 'Emilian company to relaunch the program MotoGP. As early as Gobmeier, the GP13 will not be a revolutionary movement. But what are the reasons to start from a motion which is substantially identical to that of 2012, the year so paupero results?

"Last year it was produced so much material that has not been possible to test it properly - is the point of view of Ciabatti - These solutions are already prepared, which I think is worth trying again more slowly. Pirro this weekend will be Jerez test with the team. The idea is to have a pilot in activities that serve as a 'performance tester' capable of lap times close to those who are pilots in the race, and we will run as a wild-card for not he lost his ability to race. "

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January 18, 2013 10:56 AM

Gobby has stated that there is a long term plan in place, with this year just testing and fine tuning what they have already got.
No wonder Rossi chose to leave, he hasn't time to waste. You could say the same for Nicky, he's not getting any younger.
At the moment it looks like Audi are letting the Ducati engineers do their thing, whilst providing the clout to produce parts quicker than is the norm. The first part wont work and the second part is in the future.
Much as I like Hayden I can see him trying too hard to beat Dovi, much like Cal last year.

The Morgue

January 18, 2013 3:36 PM
Last Edited 955 days ago

Keeping the desmo system could still mean they change the configuration of the engine. instead of the old L-twin a steeper angle between the cylinders will give a more compact engine that is easier to move around in the frame.
As for promising it will be rideable this is what they said years ago.
It doesn't matter how much money they throw at the project, listening to the riders is the first thing they ought to do.


January 18, 2013 8:00 PM

re: "If they really wanted to do it the "Ducati" way, they could try going back to steel trellis."

(the set-up: simpsons season 15, episode 11. baby maggie suddenly free from a closet after a 1st attempt to unlock the door proved unsuccessful)

Marge: How'd you get her out?!

Lisa: I tried the coat hanger again. I don't understand why we only try ideas once??


January 18, 2013 8:22 PM

re: "Stoner said that with the Steel trellis design, manufacturing consistency was so bad that every motoGP frame handled differently."

perhaps that was true, but that was a 1/2 frame design and not a FULL frame design like the multi- title/multi-rider winning superbikes (mass produced production kit btw). the problem may have had nothing to do with manufacturing...? but was inherent to the design itself.

re: "With Audi's manufacturing experience I wonder if they could make each frame exactly the same."

they don't need audi for this, they just need audi to PAY for this. there are at least a dozen craftsmen working right there in italy or in the world's high-end push bike industry (verlicci, bianchi, specialized, 7even, etc) that can stitch together frames in short order. it's what they do. all day, every day.

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