MotoGP » Crutchlow: Competition is tougher this year


'The top two will be Jorge and Dani Pedrosa again, without a shadow of a doubt. They will be there week in and week out' - Cal Crutchlow

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jerginz - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 5:39 PM

when was a really good rider on a satellite bike for more than a season? all the best ones make the factory squads, you all know this. Even when pedrosa, marquez, and lorenzo were rookies they were on factory bikes due to their talent potential. 99cb, pedrosa, lorenzo, rossi, dovi and arguably spies(though he didn't show it last year at all) are all ahead of crutchlow in terms of talent. my point is that the factory riders are factory riders for a reason. look at spies, he put a satellite bike on pole in 2010(fairly recent). made the factory squad a year later, but obviously his stock dropped after last year and look where he is now, NOT on a factory bike. Tell me when the last time a top notch rider stayed with a satellite team for more than a season before being picked as a factory rider. satellite riders don't win because either they are rookies or are simply less talented than the factory riders. If you put lorenzo on a satellite yamaha, I GUARANTEE you he will win at LEAST one rac

jerginz - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 5:57 PM

wouldn't you agree though? yes it is all hypothetical and you are further proving my point about only the best riders on the factory bikes by saying it would never happen, but don't you think he would win if he were on that satellite yamaha?

jerginz - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 7:52 PM

ok nevermind that last post.. let me ask you this though: Do you honestly believe that Abraham, Espargaro, Kallio, Toseland, Edwards, De Puniet, Bautista, Crutchlow, De Angelis, Barbera, Aoyama, any other recent(07-now) satellite rider I may have missed has not won a single race due to the bike????? There's nothing among this list of riders that would suggest they have 0 wins due to a lack of......talent????

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 8:37 PM

There is no lack of talent in Motogp.To even be in the series tells people that you are amongst the best motorcycle riders in the world.Obviously the cream will float to the top.
But the cream in no good without the right equipment.
Rossi has proved that over the last two seasons.But it is no coincidence that the races are always won by factory bikes.They are superior,no question about it.If a satellite rider races his way to a race victory this season by beating the factory riders fair and square,i will admit i was wrong.
But i wouldnt hold my breath on it!

jerginz - Unregistered

January 19, 2013 3:16 AM

I agree that factory spec bikes are slightly better than satellite spec ones. where we seem to split ways is where you feel the bike is the reason why no sat. wins a race, I feel it has more to do with the rider. I also agree that motogp is home to the most elite riders. Within motogp, however, there is a much wider margin of talent nowadays than there was in the days where sat. bikes were still winning races. now only rossi lorenzo and pedrosa are winning races. according to your theory, spies should have been wiping the floor with his "superior" bike while dovi should have finished far behind him. also per your theory, hypothetically,

jerginz - Unregistered

January 19, 2013 3:25 AM

if crutchlow were to switch bikes with lorenzo and rossi, he would be finishing ahead of them in every race. hypotheticals aside, your theory, to me, sounds like rossi and lorenzo won their titles and had the success they did BECAUSE of the factory yamaha and not their skills as riders. I see it as yes their bikes were slightly better than the sat. ones, but who was on them? edwards, spies, toseland, crutchlow, and now smith. edwards and spies were on factory bikes too but their success only SLIGHTLY improved, correct? nonetheless this is a great topic: Satellite bikes, whose to blame for the lack of success.. machine or rider?

herewego - Unregistered

January 19, 2013 8:31 AM

Bike or rider?? Always going to be a difficult one to answer, but I think it is down to both. Factory bikes are the elite, the best, or supposed to be, so the teams running these bikes want the best riders on them. However, what makes a rider "the best"? Is it down to the fact that they have shown how good they are whilst riding a factory bike, or what! If a rider never geats a chance to ride a factory spec bike, what chance has he got of proving himself on one? The top teams are always going to want riders that win races, and let's face it, the only ones winning races are the ones on factory bikes!!

TalentFan

January 19, 2013 9:29 AM

Good grief. ALL a Satellite rider can do is show he has the POTENTIAL to win on a factory bike. BS showed that on a T3 so got promoted amd won 1. Simoncelli (RIP) was another showing that promise and he was in-line to get the factory opportunity to prove it.

We have to remember that the factories (es. HRC/Repsol) don't want & can physically PREVENT a satellite team from being able to beat their Factory team bikes.

The Mfr's have their sealed engines in the Sat bikes, & their techs looking after them. So under orders the electronics can simply be 'detuned' for race day by a % or 2 if they want to, to restore the status quo. OR, they can simply issue orders to bully the Sat team into playing 2nd fiddle to one or both of their bikes. Or both.

Don't you get it? The game is RIGGED! MotoGP is not true competition, so a Sat rider does not have a fair chance in many, many ways. MotoGP is fast, flashy, FIXED, FARCE.

TalentFan

January 19, 2013 9:39 AM

Time is spent discussing the wrong things IMO.

The biggest topics of discussion so they actually comes to the attention of the Media (so Dorna cannot ignore it) should be the fact that MotoGP is not proper racing, AND THAT WE ALL KNOW IT!

And the biggest question of all.... WHY ARE WE PUTTING UP WITH ALL THIS SH!T ?

Are we as Fans collectively so stupid that we cannot see that we are being conned & treated like fools? If we aren't then why do we seem to just accept MotoGP as it is?

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