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Will Andrea Dovizioso, Nicky Hayden, Ben Spies or Andrea Iannone achieve something Valentino Rossi could not - win a MotoGP race for Ducati?

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TalentFan

January 18, 2013 12:17 PM

Pessimism? No. Realism? Yes.

All the available info, form and the restrictions to development indicate that it is a virtual impossibility.

If Ducati do win in the dry in 2013 (when all the Factory HRC & Yam riders finish without incident or accident), it'll probably be because they got lucky and found a set-up or evolution / part that just clicked just at the right time, in the ideal conditions, and at the right track. Even then it'd be a minor miracle, and one that it would take divine intervention to be able to repeat, unfortunately.

They don't have enough Testing to be able to properly develop and prove new parts innovations for it to be as fully scientific a process as they need IMO.

Sam - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 12:25 PM

I don't understand why some people talk about Crutchlow!!! lol, he crashes so often on Yamaha let alone Ducati. Riding Ducati need patience and consistency which Cal owns neither of them. Now not even Casey can win on it. They need to do some serious work to make it work. Unless they inject big money like Honda and Yamaha the chance of winning is pretty slim.

billace - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 12:34 PM

It will be a fluke if they do. There are only 2 riders that could possibly bag a win and htey are happily riding at Honda and Yamaha. Spies is the only guy to beat them in a dry race but Jorge was taken out and he had a dismal year last year so its hard to give that much weight.

Many thought there were "Ducati tracks" that the bike was dialed in at and performed better but the last couple of years showed they were really Stoner tracks. Even with 3 MotoGP race winners and an aggressive rookie they have little chance against the current top riders.

TalentFan

January 18, 2013 12:47 PM

@ Sam. Its not just about money. Ducati need development. That needs time, and it needs a rider that pushes the thing hard enough and is able to communicate feedback to go with sensor data so they can try to determine a development direction. And its an ongoing time-hungry process.

They didn't have the time, nor it seems did they have the lead rider to have much chance of doing the job in 2011/12. It now appears that the did have the rider in CS, but Ducati didn't capitalise on that.

Dovi, Nicky, Ben & Andrea's input remains to be seen. But they still don't have enough time, so they'll be effectively testing while racing again.

Ducati Dan - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 12:56 PM

People seem to forget that instead of showering Stoner with glory as being the only one who could win on this bike they should instead realise the shocking truth that the annoying little Australian didn't help Ducati develop a bike that everyone could ride to the best of their ability, quite the opposite. It was a 'one trick pony' thanks largely to Stoner. Well done Casey for leaving Melandri, Hayden and Rossi to then try to pick up the pieces and fail to everyones joy it seems. Well, the *****ic Stoner fans joy that is. Casey was fast, he was great onn that bike but he left a dog behind happy in the fact he was and still is the only winner on it.

mike - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 12:58 PM

CS didn't develop the bike at all - you learn nothing from riding over the limit!!! Not that Ducati listened to him anyway of course. That's why the Jap teams have test riders that lap 1-2 sec slower than the lead riders, but who can do so for 200 laps a day without breaking a sweat :-) Consistent riding = consistent and correlatable data :-)

Sasha - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 1:03 PM

Not based on the bike's or the riders' quality. Even if they get it right, I expect Honda to be surprisingly strong if new rules don't add extra kg's to the bike, with Yamaha pretty closed. Altough the Yamaha's might be tuned down a bit to save the weaker (wear) engines.

Sasha - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 1:09 PM

@Ducati Dan
There is plenty of info out there that show that the GP7 was designed late 2005 and build in the 2006 season. The GP8 was desgined late in the 2006 season and build in the 2007 season. Same pattern for the GP9. At the same time Ducati harldy gave any update parts to its riders and hardly listened to their input.

After two years of input by someone who they listened to and gave updates to during the season they are still nowhere. Ducati's problem has been its design culture without really listening to riders ever and its incapability, due to resource restrictions, to rapidly update bikes. Something that might change now that they have Audi management, Audi technological information and Audi design and build facilities for the racing parts.

Objective

January 18, 2013 1:12 PM

I don't think that Stoner is to blame for the development direction that Ducati took. After the WC win they started making significant changes to the bike that Stoner didn't like. When the front end kept letting go will little or no warning he was far from happy. They took a winning bike and ruined it.

The screamer wasn't a better engine. The new engine is actually better but the frame and suspension are worse so riders can't get the performance out of the engine onto the track.

If they did get the frame and suspension sorted they could be challenging for podiums at least.

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