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Will Andrea Dovizioso, Nicky Hayden, Ben Spies or Andrea Iannone achieve something Valentino Rossi could not - win a MotoGP race for Ducati?

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Rob - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 9:04 PM

LOL @ the Crutchlow on a Ducati would have been good. I think they changed their mind on him since he crashed too much. Imagine him on a bike with front end issues.

CRT - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 9:09 PM

@ Tetley,

Ducati had/has mass amounts of data on the stressed member machine. Everyone is assuming that since Rossi and JB couldn't figure it out that it cannot work. It has worked, and it has worked well. Once Rossi and JB took them off that path Ducati was screwed, working in areas they were not familiar with.

Blame the engine, blame the "frame", blame the tires, blame Stoner, blame Ducati, blame Mars not being in line with Venus, blame the Pointer Sisters for not having a hit album last year, but we better not dare blame Rossi and JB right?

billace - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 9:29 PM

CRT,

I think your hitting on the biggest point. According to JB, "Rossi did get more chassis versions than he could count" which further validates Hayden's statement. Rossi was never made happy by Ducati's upgrades and tossed parts aside as fast as they could install them.

This left Ducati with a grid full of multiple, aborted variations that they had no real data on and no way to compare riders or their effects. This is the first thing being addressed by Audi, 4 riders on the same kit to get a clear direction where to go next. Rossi said he was not an engineer and he wasn't much of a test rider it appears so there is no surprise they were completely lost.

TalentFan

January 18, 2013 10:16 PM

Whoever made the call to have 4 factory supported riders definitely made the right call IMO.

I know I keep bashing on about the lack of testing due to the restrictions, and have said that I'd like to see any teams outside the top 2 get more testing days to assist to develop and close the gap.

But, as Dorna either a) haven't thought of it, or b) thought of it and it got squashed by Honda & Yamaha, or c) don't agree that its a good idea, then having 4 guts testing and amassing data during the races is the only way to try and speed-up development open to them. I just hope that there's some kind of consensus arrived at so the direction brings them to greater competitiveness

prof-x - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 10:44 PM

The funny thing is all you guys would be saying the same thing about Honda and Yamaha if Bridgestone made the tires work with the Ducati.

The commentators say its the handling of the Yamaha that is so great, in order to sell bikes. The commentators say its the power of the Honda, to sell bikes, the commentators say its the bike to discount the fact that the tires dont work for that bike and the whole control tire experiment is a fiasco unless your bike works with the tires. Stop listening to the commentators, all they do is promote the status quo and act as sales people for successful brands and names in MotoGP.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 18, 2013 10:45 PM

Honda: heavier on the front, lighter on the rear (rear tire lasts longer, typically)

Yamaha: great on both sides, no chatter, no nothing, new front tire fits Jorge's 250 light on the brake corner entry

Ducati: absolute pig on the rear, lighter than a fairy on the front, no grip.

Monopolies donot promote competition, and the ones who own monopolies say things like - 'competition is a sin' (JD Rockefeller)

TalentFan

January 18, 2013 10:55 PM

prof-x. I'm sure that your comments are valid, but equally what you can say about the control tyres is that the vital connection between track & bike is identical for all bikes.

The fact that Honda & Yamaha's bikes use those tyres better than the Ducati means that Ducati need to develop their bike to work with a known constant.

The fact that the testing restrictions make that job ridiculously hard to do is what means that HRC & Yam (who have already got sorted chassis to go with their megabucks) have that advantage protected.

The 'status quo' is that any mfr's entering MotGP or in MotoGP but behind in terms of development are hamstrung by the rules from having a proper opportunity to GET competitive.

I think your Rockefeller quote is pertinent to HRC & Yam too - they like things just as they are, whereby their advantage is ring-fenced by the rules so the staus quo remains with them in ascendancy IMO.

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