MotoGP » CRT MotoGP class 'a big success'


"If any of the top MotoGP riders would use a CRT, I don't know how big the difference would be" - Carmelo Ezpeleta.

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RSMick

January 22, 2013 7:36 AM

Quote Eddy "From the inception of the (then)500cc World Champion class the event had a two tier structure with exotic works machinery and privateer machines that occasionally gave the works machines a run for their money."

True but about as occasionally as they did last year, pre mid 80's there were less factory bikes, in those days we had the joy of production 500cc race bikes.
The last time one did was 1993, August 1st. Before that it was May 14 1989, but wait there was only 2 factory bikes on the grid that day and 1 retired.
Donington 1997 kind of but Barros had factory backing. The truth is the CRT bikes with no developement, engine or chassis are around the same distance back as the 1992 the year of ROC/Harris and they were copies of the real thing, but they mostly went backwards. Honda NSRV was worse. The Modenas in its first year the closest it got was 40 seconds, that had a lot of money behind it.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 7:46 AM

problem solved - get rid of the fancy electronics and put the motogp bikes on -control- production (non-limited run) slicks along with WSBK bikes. Problem solved. Nobody will be able to use the carbon brakes, Yamaha will lose its advantage the faster bikes will slow down, the slower bikes wont get any slower, more bikes will have a chance, the richer/better supported riders will have a better shot with more tire types, ... the list goes on and on.

Come on Ezpeleta, time to ditch Traction Control and the sh**ty Bridgestone Control tire that is solely responsible for keeping Valentino on the top step from 2008 onward...(and then Jorge)

prof-x - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 7:47 AM

*correction, the not-so richer/better supported riders will have a shot (like the Honda chief stated). More tires, less time spent gearing/engineering a bike towards a tire that is completely under control by Bridgestone, giving Bridgestone too much power over whose bike will succeed and whose wont.

RSMick

January 22, 2013 7:55 AM
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Dr Who, the twins were around 30 odd bhp less and weighed 30 kilos less than Factory (V4 165bhp - 130kg, V twin 135bhp - 100kg), in those days fuel was not limited either on any so the factories cold burn what they want limited only by the size of tank regulation. As for the engines do you think the privateers were bunging a new in every session? Ring changes was about the limit accross the weekend, you used to hear stories of bikes with bearings spinning in the case.

The factories have requested the new engine limit not Dorna, they want to prise money from R&D (well Honda did) but the MSMA agreed, I am sure CE jumped at that.

herewego - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 7:59 AM

I must have been watching something completely different then!! The CRT class was alway a totally seperate race and never got involved with the MotoGP class, so how it has been deemed a success beats me!!!!

RSMick

January 22, 2013 8:07 AM

Without the CRT, there would be no production RCV's next year (Nakamoto said they would produce them to show how it can be done as a swipe at Aprilia) and no factory engines from Yamaha.
My only worry is that history does not repeat itself where these bikes will only be good for 3 months at most, then the factory stop producing them. After which the teams will have to start again.
At least CE has done what he did in 2000 by protecting the private teams now they have a full grid, unless a team drops out the likes of Suzuki will have to go to or pay an existing team for its grid slots.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 9:35 AM

it doesnt matter, the guys at the top have their hands so tight around the championship they have no perspective. They are not trying to cut costs, only to hold on to what they have left. There is a different mindset between someone with vision and someone whose holding on too tight, and its obvious some new blood is needed to bring about a positive change in a highly controlled championship. Now that Stoner is out of the equation, and cannot wreck it for the posers Ezpeleta should think about being a bit more liberal and less freakish about control this and control that.

More control == more boring racing, won by those who have the control. Start with Traction Control, then move on to the control tires. Down with the Electronics, its costing teams a fortune and limiting the fans adventure.

aeaventures - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 10:11 AM

Blimey is this the guy we want in charge of our sport?
For any top rider like De Puniet to end up on CRT is a disaster for thier career, Iam surprised he does not move to WSB and a proper paying ride.
CRT is not Moto GP period, allowing the factory's to put more customer bikes on the grid is the way forward as many as they can make cap the price at 750K a bike

Codger

January 22, 2013 11:54 AM

The CRT bikes did get quicker as they were getting developed, whether they will continue to I doubt. So that leaves the option of slowing down the GP bikes. Then both CRT and MotoGP will be slower than WSBK. What will happen then, slow down WSBK? You'd have to slow down BSB then.

Like him or loath him, Expletive has a major problem to sort all this out.

The GP bikes produce too much power for the riders so we have carbon brakes, ECUs, launch control, traction control etc. to help them. So ban controls or detune the engines? Not a choice I'd like to make.

RSMick

January 22, 2013 2:44 PM

Why do you need them all to slow down Codger? The only ones that need to is the factory bikes, they went back to 800's at the request of the factories because they were getting too fast for the tracks. Tom Jojic posted on twitter that the MM system for customer CRT bikes is very impressive and said they got fantastic results on the dyno. The one problem with that bike last year was the electronics were all over the place. So hopefully improvements will be made, as in the Suter we know the nightmare with Bosch and they will use MM this year.

As for WSB take it back to its roots and it will naturally slow down, BSB like all nationals need to be the same rules as WSB, this will get wild card entries back. National championships when 500 was the top class were never slowed down to GP's, you regular would get the riders attending nationals on their GP machines. Japan's 500's were mostly top spec as it was used for developing.

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