MotoGP » CRT MotoGP class 'a big success'


"If any of the top MotoGP riders would use a CRT, I don't know how big the difference would be" - Carmelo Ezpeleta.

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Codger

January 22, 2013 3:05 PM
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@ RSMick.....I was addressing the problem of closing the gap between the CRT bikes and the Protos. You have to speed one up or slow the other side down. What ever is done, MotoGP has to lap faster than WSBK to remain the top class. I was showing the impossibility of it all.

PS I forgot to say, you made some good points. I was at Brands Hatch when Phil Read was on a 250 GP bike, Pasolini was on his Works Benelli 500, and Hailwood was on his MV in an International race. I suppose the old International races were ad hoc and probably equivalent to BSB standard.

Busa Boy. - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 3:31 PM

If you class a bunch of bikes that have absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever winning a race a success,then i am gobsmacked.How many races did it take before the first CRT bike got lapped?
Not many as i recall.Cant see how CRT is the future of Motogp when WSBK bikes are faster.Motogp is supposed to be the pinnicle of the sport!

andrew2k

January 22, 2013 4:18 PM

Its kinda funny how people continue to believe there is some kind conspiracy going on when it come to the CRT yet fail to understand the longterm economic reality of motogp, that being the fact the sport have become too expensive for many teams especially in an cash-strapped environment. In this case the choices are:

a)accept CRT bikes as a stop-gap solution to a shrinking grid until a real solution is found

b)accept a sport that would continue to shrink leaving it with a grid that is really uncompetitive

As I said before, I'm no fan of the CRT bikes, but its much better than seeing a grid dominated by either yamaha or honda.

@hohoho

Excluding Stoner, the Ducati has never really been a rider friendly bike and the problems are not limited to Rossi. Look at Hayden for example...truth to be told, he's still struggling with the bike and the same can be said about talented riders such as Checa, Bayliss, Melandri and Capirossi -- all whom have struggled with the ducati prototype even th

prof-x - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 5:32 PM

Capirossi won on the Ducati (before control tires) Hayden also did good at the beginning of his first year.

The Ducati isnt as well invested as the Honda or the Yamaha, but its not as bad as people want to make it out to be. The real problems with cost include:

making everyone develop and ultimately change their bikes to suite one tire that every so often changes.

having complex electronic systems which cost a bunch, and only help divide the performances between the top factory teams and satellite/other guys.

You want cheaper better racing, ditch the electronics and let people run what ever tire they want so long as the tires mass produced, the tires allocated will be observed during manufacturing (controlled) and then used as needed. If tire manufacturers want to develop their production tires around one make, thats their choice, but it will affect their market interest from other manufacturers.

Lets see some competition, ditch the electronics and the single control tire.

mp5onlv426 - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 6:58 PM

Most people on here want the tc to go away but they don't want the lap times to drop. Can't have one without the other. CRT is a success in relation to its purpose. The purpose being to put pressure on the factories. If they push out the factory teams the sport will be that much better. Factories should produce parts not the entire bike/team/grid.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 22, 2013 9:00 PM

the lap times probably come from better (electronically assisted) engine braking, and anti-wheely then outright traction control through a turn.

I dont think you will see a drastic change in lap time simply by getting rid of TC, you would see a bigger change in lap times by changing the tire formula. Just look at F1.

RSMick

January 23, 2013 7:54 AM

The problems is the tyres for the CRT, they cannot get the heat into them. Thats why this year uncle Loris has got 3 compounds instead of 2. The CRT will have medium and soft rear tyre, the factory bikes will have medium and hard.

PCX-mac or profx, if we did go back to multi tyre formula, can you tell me a time when that produced close racing?

prof-x - Unregistered

January 23, 2013 9:14 AM

you are funny RSMick, money buys a lot in racing. Even grid positions. Casey probably stopped racing because he knows the game is rigged, and its pretty obvious if you have any kind of critical reasoning skills. And any clue about the scientific method.

Do you want to watch a lie? Or the best bikes and riders competing? Me thinks RSMick, you want to be lied to more than you want to see whose got the best bike or whose the better pilot.

If you want cheaper racing you will bring back different tires but under enough constraints to prohibit (cost wise) custom tires, for particular tracks through 'control' policies which standardize the the production of the tires. Also you will ditch electronics which ... which only serve to widen the gap between factory and satellite and well to do teams and not so well to do.

prof-x - Unregistered

January 23, 2013 9:17 AM

The fact is, money ruins racing, the more money you have the more predictable things get. I dont see the money grubbers in MotoGP trying to lose their pay checks, so dont expect MotoGP to get unpredictable any time soon.

RSMick

January 23, 2013 3:27 PM

PCXMAC, I,m funny? Your either drunk, having a laugh, Bridgestone and Motogp made stand in just your vest in the middle of the paddock, or plain daft.

Just wondering how getting rid of the control tyre (which I hate but it makes sense) would help the teams financially?
At the moment none of them pay for tyres, if it was opened up to a free market just a few would get tyres through a technical partnership, we know that would already be the rich teams as you put it. So that leaves the poor teams having to pay for tyres.
As I said tell me under non control conditions the racing was closer, remember Michelin in the early 90's with their A and B grades? who benefitted from the A grade? Only Roberts went for the Dunlops, which Cadalora started using a mix before dumping Michellin altogher.
You really need to get those rubber things out of your mind.

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