MotoGP » Honda: Marquez can podium on MotoGP debut


"Everybody knows a fast rider is fast from the beginning" – Shuhei Nakamoto, Honda.

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Md Zane - Unregistered

January 25, 2013 5:23 PM

99 Crystal balls
I never accused Marquez or his team of cheating I'll leave that to brad Smith,I was just pointing out some of the advantages he/they had.But you stating that there was nothing on his bike outside of the rules is being a bit naive,the first rule change for moto2 this year was the quickshifter?Any other speed advantage was down to Repsol money.I can't see any conspiracies from me there and I certainly aint CRYING.Maybe Espegaro is a better rider but doesn't have Repsol money backing him.

TalentFan

January 25, 2013 5:59 PM

@ prof-x "Imagine JL, VR, DP, MM, CC, AD, NH, SB, AB etc. all on pretty even bikes like CRT's?

Yup - I said CRT's, not Moto2. I share much of your issues with MotoGP. I also believe from watching carefully that MM had a significant speed advantage in M2, & though Espagaro rode better & harder much of the time.

That's past, and in 2013 MM has again arguably the best bike on the grid. But then so will DP, and we know DP is very, very good. There's little enough real competition in MotoGP, but maybe DP can at least settle the argument of just what pace MM has against an identical bike?. The MM Moto2 performances and results aren't enough for me to be certain he'll be mustard against DP & JL.

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

January 25, 2013 6:23 PM

But you stating that there was nothing on his bike outside of the rules is being a bit naive.

If the bike was equiped with components outside the rules,Honda would have been punished.
Regardless of how much money they have!
Is it Hondas fault they produced a better bike than anyone else?
No.Every year you get a bike that has some kind of advantage over the opposition.Thats called progress in my book and it will never change.
The only way to put a stop to it in the premier class at least, is to ban factory prototypes and give every rider an identical machine that cannot be altered in any way.But that would be the death of the sport in my opinion.

TalentFan

January 25, 2013 6:41 PM

@ 99 Crystal Ball

Even without identical bikes, the rules CAN be maintained so that no machines in the field have a HUGE advantage over some (satellite), & a MASSIVE advantage over others (CRT) like exists now.

And... ALL teams would be able theoretically to race anyone and win (bet Fausto Gresini would be happy with that eh?).

As far as Suter goes... wasn't there MUCH disgruntlement and some defection by teams from Suter to Kalex simply because Repsol/Marquez had a Suter chassis that Suter would not sell to any other Suter customer?

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

January 25, 2013 7:14 PM

In all fairness Talentfan,it isnt the first time a manufacturer has shown favour to one particular rider if they feel he is worth it,and it wont be the last!
I dont think that will ever change.

CRT - Unregistered

January 25, 2013 7:21 PM

@ zane,

As to the quickshifter strategy Marquez' team is accused of employing, Webb said that it was not necessary to hack the ECU to achieve this. "Quick shifters are 'free' (not defined as a spec part in the regulations MM), they are deliberately not included in the official definition of the Moto2 engine, so the team is free to choose their own solution. Whether they choose to use the quick-shift strategies included in the ECU is up to them," Webb said. "In fact no manipulation of ECU software is necessary in order to use a non-Honda quick shifter, which may or may not use the fuel cut strategies available in the ECU." The quickshifter used by Marquez' team had been submitted for approval to the Technical Director, HRC and engine supplier Geo Tech for inspection at the beginning of the season, as had the systems used by all the other teams. No irregularities had been found in any of the systems.

daveyboy

January 26, 2013 12:58 AM

Cast your mind back 2 years, Marquez rookie season in Moto2 vs Bradl who had experience in the class, Marquez showed flashes of brilliance, wasn't intimidated by the hard riding of people like Redding, but inconsistency cost him the title. I suspect it will be the same in MotoGP, flashes of brilliance, won't be intimidated by hard riding Rossi/Crutchlow types. Bradl has a years experience, and is on a good bike, so he should be a good yardstick to measure Marquez against, well, certainly for the first year anyway.

Bo - Unregistered

January 26, 2013 3:43 AM

Why do people think the Honda is the best bike?

Yamaha won last year and without the Stoner effect it would have won 2011

It also won 2010, 2009 & 2008 and without Stoner on the Ducati it would have won 2007!

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