MotoGP » Hayden: Door not closed on Ducati Austin test

“At the moment it's 'no' but the door is not completely closed” - Nicky Hayden.

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prof-x - Unregistered

February 10, 2013 1:49 PM

"All of these socialistic ideas for the Duck. Suppose this is fitting for these dead times and hurt feelings. Maybe they should man up and quit like Casey. "

Actually Socialism is alive and well in MotoGP, teams get nice subsidies, the single tire is making things fare (yeah...okay) and everyone is one happy family courtesy of uncle carmelo. In fact its not that far away from communism with their single (party) tyre rule. And control this, control that. Please. Pallleeeeeese.

Casey left because he knew he could not compete against the system.

Who is John Galt?


February 10, 2013 2:34 PM

2007 was a new platform which happened to gel perfectly with the Bridgestone tires. Ducati's screamer engine was amazing as well. Casey was out to prove he deserved that factory ride with a fire in his belly. The planets were aligned for him & Ducati that year. Once we had the control tires, which needed to perform for a wider range of platforms, the Japanese manufacturers, with their greater R&D budgets, made their machines more adaptable to the situation. Ducati are a much smaller operation than the other 2 still participating & were left behind. Until we bring back the tire wars, nothing will change. That's unless Ducati kidnap some Japanese engineers. Still, I wish them the best & hope Audi is willing to give it a few years trying before pulling the plug.

prof-x - Unregistered

February 10, 2013 3:29 PM

I think you are misremembering things Grendlehop. The tires did not work for all bikes equally or act over a wider range, they really only worked for yamaha the first couple of years until right before Dani was ejected from his bike. Then in 2012 again, they only worked for the Yamaha, except their were serious issues with them on the Honda (massive chatter) and on the Ducat (same old story + chatter)

Bridgestone cannot make a wider ranged tire because it's performance envelope would most likely limit it's potential, where as a specialized tires such as the ones that only worked with the Yam (and still seem to be) will give a deeper level of potential.

Bridgestone do not develop their tires for Honda or Ducati, and its clear safety is not the reason for the change of tires last year, as it made no difference for Ducati and made it worse for Honda.


February 10, 2013 3:46 PM

re: "Ducati's screamer engine was amazing as well. Casey was out to prove he deserved that factory ride with a fire in his belly. The planets were aligned for him & Ducati that year."

wait, was it really that deep...? or were the japanese (having deliberately brought knives to the gun fight) simply looking to "de-escalate" a 5 year arms race of which ducati never got the memo...? which then had a knock-on effect of... RETRIGGERING the arms race...?

they need the time.. - Unregistered

February 10, 2013 5:42 PM

Ducati would be fools not to go you Austin! They could be doing this test anywhere. Why Austin, because it's a new track. Besides, they need all the saddle time they can get. The bike is a dog, but to not know the track on a dangerously slow bike, well that's just suicide for the company come race time

dick - Unregistered

February 10, 2013 9:35 PM

@ shamorone - $600k-$800k is never a paltry ampunt for anyone. Successful businesses do not become successful by squandering money. They do it through, among other things, good cost control.

And how on earth would a single test cost $600k? Are they flying there via the moon?


February 10, 2013 10:04 PM

What makes anybody think that Audi can turn Ducatis fortunes around, I would imagine that Ducati with all their knowledge of world championships know more about racing 2 wheels than Audi , and I think you will find that Ducati have more championships than Audi has with 4 wheels

OZ Mick - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 1:40 AM

Ducati is just waistin money trying to compromise between tradition and prototype. They have all the data for the last two years. Data from a nine time world champion. Data that gave Yamaka multiple championships. They had arguably the best rider and crew for the past decade giving them on a silver platter all they need to create a winning bike. But Ducati's reluctance to acknowledge that the core of their bike, their tradition, could be the cause of the bike's underperformance, is the reason they could not create a bike at par with the Japanese. Ducati, ditch your design and just copy the Japanese. Plug in all the info that Rossi and Jeremy gave you, and I guarantee you you'll be at the front! 2007 was a fluke. Hell even your champion quit the sport as he is also a fluke. Copy the Japanese as they are ahead of you, there's no other way.

prof-x - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 5:35 AM

ya, unfortunately they won in 2007 and competed for the championship in 2008, they also had a shot in 2006.

The problem people are not acknowledging, is it right for Brigestone to determine who wins and who loses? Is it right to force all the makers to build their bike almost exactly alike in order to meet the demands of a single tire? Is that really competition or dictation?

Because Bridgestone could just as easily develop a tire for Ducati that forsakes the Yamaha and Honda. That fact alone says more than most of the haters could ever.

Bridgestone determine who wins and who loses in MotoGP. Not Yamaha, Ducati or Honda or their respective riders. Is that really racing???

Do you want competition? Or to see losers with out hope unless they conform to some homogenous standard? I appreciate Ducati sticking to their guns, its only a shame they are obliged the silly tire rule which has ruined them since 2009.

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