MotoGP » Dovizioso on Ducati: The bad point is now

“There is not one big problem and if we fix that we can fight for victory” – Andrea Dovizioso.

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99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

February 16, 2013 8:23 PM

Roman,i cant quite make out exactly what you are trying to say.
One minute you say if a rider has to be blamed for the under development of the Ducati then it may as well be Stoner,but then you go on to say that the blame lies with Ducati and only Ducati.
If you think Ducati is purely to blame for the state of the current bike,why point the finger at Stoner?
I would genuinely appreciate your answer.

RAAFREBEL - Unregistered

February 16, 2013 10:08 PM

@ Kurst
You do have a valid point. They have changed everything.

I also aggree with your comment.. Thats proberbly all they havnt changed

I really do think that if JB and crew could have had a free run at the bike, they proberbly could have fixed it in 80 seconds!
I beleive, from rumurs from in and around the Motogp paddock, that Ducati did not fully listen to JB and his solutions. I beleive that ducati (mainly the bloke in the wheelchair) wanted to do it his way. he has now been sacked.
JB and Rossi are not idiots, and they have years and years of experience, especially JB. He has been building race winning bikes since he was a kid.I remember seeing him in the paddock in 1989, working on Gardens and Doohans bike (in thongs , stubbies and a singlet!)
Look at his track record. if he cant build a winning bike (thats what team managers do) then no one can.
Out of ALL the team managers in the paddock, he is the best.
When has JB ever built a loosing bike other than the ducati

Slide Rules! - Unregistered

February 17, 2013 12:19 AM

Face it! JB would know the dimensions, stats and intricacies of the M1 like the back of his hand. Applying that knowledge to another machine unless built in an identical style and material will NOT result in a clone!
I will say it again, CAD, mathematics, algorithms etc will only support the black art of chassis building to a point and Ducati would have all but hypnotised a very willing Burgess to copy that M1's characteristics.
Burgess has NEVER built a bike, his role and influence on its performance are very exaggerated! The only bike he (with Rossi) have had significant influence with is now further from the front than when they started. This statistic is fact not opinion.
Too many changes and too much effort to get away from the stigma that Stoner could win on the carbon bike. Simple.


February 17, 2013 3:20 AM

"he only bike he (with Rossi) have had significant influence with is now further from the front than when they started."

The bike hasn't changed since last season because the entire team management has changed.

Slide Rules! - Unregistered

February 17, 2013 3:46 AM

jfc1, I'm referring to the ducati (in both 800 and 1000cc forms) since their takeover at the end of 2009 to the end of 2012, not just the last few months!
There are numerous first hand stories of the riders saying their bikes changed little between 800 and 1000 other than for torque effect. Rossi has said multiple times the bike he finished with was 'no different' (his words not mine) and there's no doubt he was referring to the handling not the power which we all know was more than enough anyway.
So far all we've seen is that you could throw a small blanket over Nick, Dovi and Rossi judging by their coparative performance on the duc and to fair, Dovi hasn't had much of a run yet has he?

Joe blow - Unregistered

February 17, 2013 12:11 PM

I wish we could finally put the whole Stoner v Rossi debate to bed. I never much liked Stoner, thinking him petulant and arrogant, but the facts are that he was/is the guy who can flat out ride a bike faster than any other human on the planet. If racing was simply a question of fasted qualifying laps, then Stoner must be considered the best ever. but it's not. racing is about speed, tactics, smart, cunning....and winning. By these criteria, Rossi is the greatest motorcycle racer ever. I also think that Marquez may end up faster than Stoner and as cunning and lethal a racer as Rossi.

Slide Rules! - Unregistered

February 17, 2013 12:49 PM

Joe, Agostini used speed, tactics,smart, cunning AND often a mediocre opposition not dissimilar to the early noughties championships to win 15 World Championships. Is there a reason he is exempt from your criteria?

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