MotoGP » Dovizioso on Ducati: The bad point is now


“There is not one big problem and if we fix that we can fight for victory” – Andrea Dovizioso.

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Wacko - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 9:30 PM

This makes me think that there were data collection/interpretation issues. If they are running parts they had last fall why did they need more data on them? They were clearly off the pace in Valencia (what's new). So why would they not try something new here? If not on the factory bikes, then at least on the satellite bikes? It is starting to sound more and more like the new boss thinks the old boss was full of it and does not trust what was being fed to him by the outgoing administration.

TedG

February 14, 2013 9:38 PM

Let's all hope that the new boss is just seeing where they are today for himself, then re evaluating, then hitting the engineering dept hard to get a new bike out. OR they are working on a new bike and it is not ready and they are just using the tests to allow the riders to at least practice. If they were going to improve the bike, wouldn't they have made some changes other than paint???? No it has to be that this bike is gone.

sik75 - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 9:57 PM

In hindsight it was the wrong move to ditch the carbon frame concept. Imagine the huge amounts of money spent on VR and trying to build a twin spar bike going towards developing and refining the CF frame. I bet you they would be a lot closer to the competition at this point regardless of who was riding. Whatever they do now, they will always be playing catch-up. I feel sorry of Ducati, lead astray and then ditched.

Dave - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 10:08 PM

"LOL. Stoner won 3 of the last 4 races before he handed the bike over to Vale. It was still capable of looking competitive with an extraordinary talent like Stoner. "

...and spat him off on the warm up lap of the 4th. It was still capable of looking uncompetitive with an extraordinary talent like stoner and then confirmed uncompetitive with an extraordinary talent like rossi

TedG

February 14, 2013 10:42 PM

First of all it was not the same bike, if we remember correctly it was the GP11.1 which was a de-stroked GP12. The GP 12 felt better because it had more torque and got out of the corners quicker, meaning it spent less time cranked all the way over. The GP11.1 lost all that torque and the initial problems came right back because the 800 needs that corner speed.
And for those touting the trellis frame, remember even Stoner said that no two were alike even when set up exactly the same. That is caused by too many welds. It is almost impossible to get consistency. And the trellis frame severely impaired the air box size.
No, Ducati needs to go to a 72 or 65 degree V four, stack the gearbox, and get the mass as close to the center as possible. Then and only then can they move the engine around enough to get it right. Keep the twin spar frame and use the longest spars possible to mount the engine, this gives enough flex to absorb bumps when heeled over and prevent chatter. Lengthen the swin

Chris Treacy - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 11:05 PM

Ha I bet 50 quid if stoner the moaner was on the duke
Now he would be struggling... He was on a slippery
Slope when he jumped ship and was whinging
That Ducati weren't listening to things he wanted
Done .....

cant develop quick enough - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 11:06 PM

ditching the carbon frame was the first logical step.. rossi and jb realised streight away the weightdistribution was all wrong and they had no mechanism to adjust this other than using the suspension to load the front at the exspense of reargrip or rear causing chronic understeer (simply put).. the only logical(and cheepest) option available to facilitate this and free up the effectiveness of suspension adjusment was to susspend the engine within an adjustable medium....this was the FIRST logical step but ducati couldnt swallow their pride enough and ****d around for a whole year with alloy air boxes swingarms galore with exactly the same problems... when they did finally get around to a cradle frame it emerged rushed with no parallel development alternative so when initial results suggested the engine configuration was still offseting progress and alot more frame/engine development was needed.(not to mention tc )rossi and jb knew time had ran out .....

billie_morini - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 11:16 PM

Dovizioso explained that the biggest problem is actually that the Desmosedici has no single weakness - it is lacking a little in all areas - plus the necessary lead time to produce new parts.

This compounds the conclusion that the entire motorcycle is flawed.

Seanus

February 14, 2013 11:18 PM

How is it that Stoner could win on this thing then?
Seems to me like he understood the bike better and that Ducati have been chasing their tails trying to suit the bike to different riders rather than the riders coming to grips with how the bike needs to be ridden.

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