MotoGP » Dovizioso on Ducati: The bad point is now

“There is not one big problem and if we fix that we can fight for victory” – Andrea Dovizioso.

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cant develop fast enough - Unregistered

February 14, 2013 11:44 PM

rossi didnt need a yamaha or a honda what he needed was a bike that responded to set up so he could weight the bike naturally and progressively to the track /tyre conditions and this is what dovi is now finding whatever he does the basic design of the bike is inhibiting this... and theres a long hard road ahead... lets hope ducati listen to dovi because they wasted the last rider who had the exsperience gained with both of their principle competitors to tell them why their opposition is doing so well and theyre not.... the desperate but genius tallents of casey are no longer an option . A because hes realised on a honda he doesnt need to kill himself on and B because the others have moved on way too much for caseys compensatory efforts to keep em in the game even if he does return next year

stavros - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 12:17 AM

@ hindsight, herewego

you guys are looking at the current performance deficit the Ducati had to Yamaha and Honda and extrapolating that Stoner would not be able to win races on it, but looking at Ducatis historical performance gap to the front without Stoner there (looking at Capirossi, Hayden, Melanesia), we see that they were usually just as uncompetitive then as they are now, sometimes even more so! So there I'd EVERY reason to believe Stoner could won races on the current Desmo, especially when you take into account how peerless he is at certain tracks such add Qatar, Aragon and Phillip Island.

rabcati - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 12:24 AM

"How is it that Stoner could win on this thing then?"

Not to burst your bubble here but it took THIRTEEN races for him to win in 2010. With an extraordinary talent like Casey riding does that sound like a race winning bike? Pedrosa was also out for the last 5 races and Rossi was struggling with his injuries. If you combine the deficit over those 13 rounds he was 1 minute 32 seconds off victory, about 7 seconds a race on average. There is no way he could be winning on this new ducati.

cant develop fast enough - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 1:03 AM

rabcati yes well put....... theres no way caseys gong back to ducati ,even if he does return. he knows how good the jap bikes are now and how fast they develop.... casey and ducati was a one time thing that worked well for various reasons but also probably robbed casey of adding to his championship tally but i think wed all love to see ducati competative again regardless of the rider


February 15, 2013 1:34 AM

i don't think ducati are correctly making there bikes around the tires , i think they are just building bikes the old way when tires were built to suit bikes.
the ducati has a very small range in tire formats and can only work when the correct tires are on the bike.


February 15, 2013 2:39 AM

People are still going with the if Stoner was on it. They say he handed over a winning bike, but as RabCati showed there were a number of issues which bumped him up the list in 2010. Equally in 2010 it was 3 wins and 5 DNFs. Rossi then came onto a bike cold versus a rider who had been on it for four years. Hardly a valid comparison. Stoner would have placed 5th instead of Rossi's 6th and maybe not event that as I think his win at all costs determination (a good quality) would have meant his luck of not getting seriously injured on the Duc would have run out. He knew he wouldn't win that is why he went to Honda.


February 15, 2013 2:42 AM

They need to start with a clean sheet of paper and get outside help and remove the pride factor (sorry tradizione). Also Gobmeier is talking to bide time, he knows there are no parts coming and that Rossi was right when he dismissed the parts they want to "examine more fully".


February 15, 2013 3:07 AM

In 2007 Ducati had an advantage in many area's:

1. The Bridgestone tires were made especially to suit the bike/rider i.e. Ducati & Stoner.
2. Ducati's superior speed down the straight.
3. Casey Stoner's all balls out riding style.
4. The long development of Loris Capirossi who's experience was pivitol in that bike.

What happened, in my opinion:

1. 2008, Rossi got Bridgestones and Yamaha and Honda caught up.
2. 1 make tyre rule, everyone got the same tires so there were no special tires made to suit any bike or rider.
3. Casey just rode around problems and didn't have the exerience to develop a bike.
4. The Carbon Fibre chassis, maybe a bit too ambitious at this time in MotoGP so they dropped behind the Yamaha & Honda.
5. Ducati's struggle to bring updates/ new parts early & quick enough.

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