MotoGP » Dovizioso on Ducati: The bad point is now


“There is not one big problem and if we fix that we can fight for victory” – Andrea Dovizioso.

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Hemmy - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 9:17 AM

Dave....quote '...and spat him off on the warm up lap of the 4th. It was still capable of looking uncompetitive with an extraordinary talent like stoner and then confirmed uncompetitive with an extraordinary talent like rossi '

Very true, but the difference being that Stoner was capable of making the Ducati look competitve multiple times, whereas Rossi was simply not capable of that.

Yes we all know that Rossi is good, but he only just managed to beat Hayden. Yes Hayden is a good rider too, but its clearly evident that Stoner is a notch above them for sure.

As much a some people dont lie to beleive it, there is no getting away from the fact tat Stoner beat Rossi on track more times than Rossi beat him.

So please please please lets now put this Stoner V Rossi thing to bed because it was known by most before Rossi jumped on the Ducati in Valencia 2010, but it was cemented in stone thereafter.

Pradip - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 10:24 AM

I like to compare the motogp bikes to internet browsers: if anyone is little bit techy enough, you'll understand. First, Honda is like Chrome, constantly updating - very fast paced evolution, always very fast. And, Yamaha is like Firefox, a bit slower than Honda to make changes just like Firefox to Chrome. But, when Yamaha evolves, it's always for the better. Now arguably, Chrome and Firefox are the best web browsers and without any arguments, Honda and Yamaha are the best bikes in motogp.

This brings me to Ducati which I like to compare to Opera, which always has had its niche and a small crowd of a following. It has had its hay days, but now is in a state of crisis for the past 3-4 years, only getting worse - every minute.

So what is the solution - Ducati needs to understand what Opera have understood recently. Opera knew they were never going to be as fast as Chrome or Firefox with their own 'Presto' engine - so they ditched it and will be using 'Webkit' just like Chrome. What Ope

Pradip - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 10:28 AM

(continued) What Opera realised is that if they want to be competitive - they need to change fundamentally and constantly need to adapt to changes.

Meanwhile, Ducati is still unable to understand that there changes need to be fundamental from the groundup, and not adding bits of pieces here and there. Ducati is only going to be as fast as a second off from Yamaha and Honda at their best.
Ducati needs to stop being stubborn and let go of its current design and learn from Honda an Yamaha designs. It might hurt Ducati's pride to copy the Japanese, but they just have to swallow it, if not this year might be the last we see of the Red, and we might have to wait another 30 years to see them back again, just like until 2003.

Hindsight - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 10:45 AM

Let no one misunderstand, Stoner is/was an extraordinary talent who can ride the rubber off the bike! What he did on board the Ducati is nothing short of miraculous given how every other rider who has ridden it has suffered.

The fact remains that there are fundamental issues with the Ducati that won't be solved by tinkering and it need a major overhaul.

On a point made by some that Stoner still won 3 races in 2010 compared with Rossi 0 in 2011. A bit harsh. We shouldn't forget the fundamental difference between the two bikes 800cc to 1000cc. The fact is Honda and Yamaha were better prepared particularly Honda who shone from the first race.

Ducati's problem as everyone but Ducati accepts is the engine. Brilliant when first conceived, but the competition has matched it and gone into the sunset.

Tetley

February 15, 2013 11:02 AM

The subject is Dovi's opinion of the Ducati. Can we please stop the endless "What if's" about Stoner. CS27 will never go back to Ducati. Why should he ? Other teams are prepared to pay him huge sums of money and they have better bikes than Ducati. So he would be a fool to go back onto an uncompetitive Ducati. The Stoner era is over, good luck with the fishing.

Slide Rules! - Unregistered

February 15, 2013 11:35 AM

Dear Mr.Hindsight, fundamentally speaking, the Ducati was actually an 800cc machine in 2011 as were the rest of the bikes.
As reported, the bike was barely different at the start of the season to the bike at the end of 2010, the bike that won 3 races, podiumed and poled multiple times.

TalentFan

February 15, 2013 11:37 AM
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I think Herewego's analysis and condemnation of Ducati and its position is over-simplified and comes across as rather harsh.
The thing is, I don't think that Ducati have much chance realistically of competing either. As I've said many times, with the way the rules are laid out, and the way the testing restrictions limit improvement mean that unless you ALREADY HAVE all the answers, then no amount of budget or CAD design testing is likely to make it possible to bridge the gap. This is also why no other Mfr wants to touch MotoGP with a bargepole.

Unless there is drastic changes to the rules and technical regulations that introduce affordable and sensible technical specs that truly level the playing field (which has to mean a rev limit that eliminates the need for pneumatic valves etc. and a fixed electronics map IMO) then I too think Ducati will pull out in a couple o

TalentFan

February 15, 2013 11:42 AM

cont.... Unless there is drastic changes to the rules and technical regulations that introduce affordable and sensible technical specs that truly level the playing field (which has to mean a rev limit that eliminates the need for pneumatic valves etc. and a fixed electronics map IMO) then I too think Ducati will pull out in a couple of seasons.

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