MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: Big gains, some problems remain


"We improved the lap time a lot from yesterday. We are closer, but there remains one second to the top and there are still some problems" - Valentino Rossi.

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payback - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 3:02 PM

He'll be the next famous moaner after Casey that his loyal fans would easily feel irritated everytime one calls the name,the thing they used to love saying at the poor Casey.
keep ur moth clean!

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 5:07 PM

Talentfan.
Agreed.You can have as much talent as you like and try as hard as you can,but you still have to have the machinery to be able to win.Its as simple as that.Put the top 4 riders on CRTs and see how they get on!

Realist

March 20, 2013 6:08 PM

@ 99 and TalentFan

I'm in agreeance as well. None of the aliens would be able to produce winning results on a bike that is incapable of the feat. It takes the talent PLUS the machinery.

TalentFan - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 6:25 PM

@ 99 & Realist

Exactly! Which is why I bash on that MGP has only 4 racers WITH the machinery to win, so the rest are just unwilling grid-fillers, trying hard to prove themselves enough to get 1 of only 4 truly competitive rides.

Which means that anyone in the same series riding anything else MIGHT have everything in his personal armoury of skills to be as competitive as JL, VR, DP & MM, but (whoever he is), he'll still be unable to properly challenge due to the fact that he's not in the right team (i.e. a Factory HRC or Yamaha).

I've said it before, but (for example) Pol Espagaro (who got a CRT home in 5th lets remember) maybe (just MAYBE) has what it takes to compete with these guys. But he (and we) will be denied the opportunity of testing the theory due to the huge machinery disparity in MGP.

number 46 - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 7:08 PM

to put it simple., the more you pay the more you play., that how the world works. get used to it., the real racing stoped when machines became so diffrent from each other beacuse now days its so difficult to win on non factory machine., bradl has the speed but dont have the hrc latest honda and engineers, carl is fast he dont have the latest m1,..., thoes guy are all proven winners in the other category, i am 100% if you gave them the latest machines, surley they would win a race!!! i dont know if they would be WC but they could win!!! that why gp are becoming boring they should learn from F1 look at formula one, last year 7 diffrent winners., before that ferrari mclaren and some times willams bmw., motgp 27., 99., 26 wtf

Roman - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 7:35 PM

Wow, no kidding the bikes with the best support(money) are the fastest bikes. The point is there is no mandate for the riders on the slower bike to finish behind the others as talentfan suggests. If that we're the case then the sat bike would never finish in front of factory bikes and sorry guys but that has happened many times. Elias can win a race on a sat and Stoner and others can finish in front of the Repsol bikes on a sat shows how level the field becomes without the constant rule changes. Total bs that non factory riders aren't allowed to do better than factory riders.

CRT - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 8:14 PM

So you had to go back seven years to find where a satelite bike won a race.

One of the reasons Elias won that race is because he was given a discarded factory Michelin rear tire. Otherwise it would have business as usual.

Movistar won races because they were recieving factory support from HRC during Sete and Melandri's time. Melandri was contracted through HRC to test frames, Sete received factory support for the title hunt.

Factory support is what it taks to win a championship. Like riders, the factories have the money to pay the best techs, mechanics, crews etc. Dovi is your current proof that even with one of the best teams (HRC), it still takes talent to win.

TalentFan

March 21, 2013 10:09 AM

@ Roman. The MGP world is a different animal altogether to when Elias won (just) way back in '06, and galaxies away from when Rossi was a (so-called as the bike was Factory) Satellite rookie. Your 'proof' in Elias is totally irrelevant to today.

The thing is, fans like yourself don't seem to care if their hero wins with no real depth of competition, just so long as he does win and they get to crow about it. The fact that the achievement is devalued hugely because most of the field haven't a genuine chance in hell against the guy (due to the advantages he has) doesn't seem to register or matter.

We seem to live in a world where it is now seen as acceptable by many to cheat & use any means to win - fans no longer seem to care if a guy truly EARNS his victory against strong rivals, and true SPORT and COMPETITION aren't DEMANDED by foolish, small-minded and short-sighted fans it seems. Shame.

TalentFan

March 21, 2013 10:24 AM

Keep on swallowing the corporate party line Roman - don't worry yourself about actually looking at what all the physical evidence screams if you care to look a bit closer and consider what it really means.

I know you're big Rossi fan, so here's a little something for you to consider..... Rossi liked to say way back it was 80% rider, 20% bike. Even if he was right, with the current tech & rider aids those figures HAVE shifted far the other way to the bike (just like Honda always wanted).
Now... if the bikes now undermine the influence of talent on the result (its fair to say they might), then (if he's the best as you say) your hero Rossi might actually win a hell of a lot more races if the bikes tech was reduced, so skill was THE thing? If the Tech didn't favour the young guns faith and bravery over basic rider talent & skill (i.e the electronics weren't allowed to manage it all), do you think Rossi (as well as others) would have a better chance?

Realist

March 21, 2013 4:06 PM

@ Talent Fan

Ummm, I think you're taking it a bit far with the assertion that Rossi didn't have suitable challengers. That's a stretch, and it isn't factual. Also, if you want to talk about a serious advantage over competitors, you needn't look any further than Agostini. That's fact!

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