MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: Big gains, some problems remain


"We improved the lap time a lot from yesterday. We are closer, but there remains one second to the top and there are still some problems" - Valentino Rossi.

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TalentFan

March 21, 2013 7:55 PM

@ Realist. I wasn't trying to infer that Rossi didn't have any challengers (though there is evidence to state that VR has had an equipment and support edge). We can say though that the challengers with kit AS good (except Ducati years) were very, very few.

What I was referring to is NOW. There are 4 (&only 4) guys with the team, kit, data, budget and freedom to have a run at wins & the WC. In a field of what, 20? So, really the guy that finishes 4th may not actually be GOOD enough for a 'real' 4th (as he has a serious equipment edge over the satellite's). While the guy who finished 5th MIGHT be good enough (with the better kit) to be 4th, 3rd, 2nd or even the WC.

So, even the guy that wins the WC has a title that isn't worth what it ought to be, as the number of genuine challengers is so few.

Roman - Unregistered

March 21, 2013 11:59 PM

Talenfan, you seem quite adept at stating the obvious. Obviously the factory machines have a performance advantage. Obviously Honda would rather see a Repsol bike win than another bike. Obviously riders of said factory bikes have an advantage. What you don't seem to understand is the fact that this isn't a "spec" championship and the factories with the most money (honda) have ALWAYS had an advantage. Your premis that Dorna, Bridgstone, Carmelo, blah blah blah are manufacturing the results is asinine. I realize you and many others like to make these statements as it's the only avenue left to discredit Rossi's accomplishments. It must be a CONSPIRACY!

Roman - Unregistered

March 22, 2013 12:09 AM

I use 2006 as an example because it was the last time in recent histroy that the class has gone for an extended period without major rule changes. As a result all the bikes were very close, evidenced by Stoner on the LCR very nearly winning some races and always setting fast times. If it wasn't for his rookie inadequacies he could have won races like Melandri and Elias that year. Point is, the economy and the rule changes drove the other manufacturers out and left the satellite teams picking up the pieces while the technology moved faster than they could adapt to. The best engineers and the best riders have always been on the best teams helping to make it seem there is a much bigger gap than there really is though. So yes there is a gap more so now than there was a few years back but if you don't think Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner, adn Pedrosa could do big things on sat bikes you're sadly mistaken. The reason Dovi, Crutch, Bradl, and other don't do better is because they aren

Roman - Unregistered

March 22, 2013 12:14 AM

aren't that good. I guess you think every rider out there is capable of running the same lap times given equal bikes? BS!
If you don't like the fact that some manufacturers are more dominant than others find another sport. This is just the way it is. The best riders get the best bikes and do the best results. All the best riders have the chance to make there mark at the top. Don't hate on Rossi because he did it while the others were failing. There are reasons why a Marquez shows up rookie on a Repsol bike and Stoner showed up rookie on an LCR. Marquez earned it, Stoner didn't. I fail to see the conspiracy? what ev.

Roman - Unregistered

March 22, 2013 12:19 AM

And by the way, bikes have always been 80% rider 20% machine compared to cars. Some years may be 78%-22% but it's still up to the rider to make it happen. I stand by the fact that if the bike is close as honda and yam protos are a good rider will make it happen. Rossi could of won on any Honda prototype in the field any given year.

TalentFan

March 22, 2013 9:22 AM

@ Roman.

I actually think that Manufacturer's with their non-sporting but business agenda's controlling MotoGP has killed it as a sport (sport by definition is FAIR competition, where the best man wins in a tough and highly competitve environment IMO).
But business, power and money DO rule the show, which is why only HRC & Yam Factory win (note, these Mfrs AREN'T dominant in racing in any other series).
IMO it'll take the Satellite & CRT teams to all pull out and race elsewhere, and the collapse of MotoGP utterly before you could see a rebirth with sensible rules, budgets and proper racing again.

I DO watch other bike racing Roman - & they are all WAY better than MotoGP.

TalentFan

March 22, 2013 9:32 AM

As for JL, VR, DP, MM being definitely the best racers.... well, the relative pace of the fast WSBK guys as well as Satellite riders suggests that there COULD WELL BE riders who could do as good a job as the 'Aliens' on a Factory HRC or Yamaha.

Its not a 'conspiracy' Roman. Its big business corrupting SPORT so that it is no longer SPORT. Instead, its a sad ghost of a sport, but its very well produced, edited and uses clever misdirection and focus - promoted to fool people into accepting MotoGP as it is.

After this season (when we won't know what Dorna will do to WSBK so they may well let that get ferked up as well) there may well be no international series worth a damn. MotoGP is a con-job, a joke and not a real series, but a parody. One day (when its too late or when VR has retired so you no longer care) perhaps you'll wise up.

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

March 22, 2013 1:39 PM

Motogp is supposed to be the premier league of motorcycle racing.The absolute pinnicle of the sport.But how can it be when only 4 bikes and riders have a chance of winning the title?
It has turned into a bit of a joke,it has to be said.
I still love to watch it dont get me wrong,but when the same guys are winning week in week out,it can be a tad boring.

TalentFan

March 22, 2013 2:15 PM
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Its a fair question - can we call MGP a 'World Championship', when there are (at best , it might be just 2 if Honda have the edge over Yam) only 4 racers GENUINELY in the same WC (& those are 3 Spaniards & 1 Italian)?

That's a bit like going to Africa and saying you saw 4 of the Big Game animals on Safari, when you actually saw 3 Giraffes and 1 Elephant!

Sorry - but (IMO) MotoGP does not have the strength-in-depth through the field (due to the monopoly HRC & Yam have been allowed by Dorna) to qualify as any kind of series at all, let alone a 'World Championship'.

The winner of this seasons WSBK WC will have had much tougher and greater numbers of serious competition over the season, making the WSBK WC to be MUCH more worthy than the MotoGP WC.

Roman - Unregistered

March 22, 2013 4:28 PM

The "other" championships don't run proto machinery that's why the gaps aren't so apparent. So what say you of 2006? All the factory's involved some of the best racing ever seen and guess what...still big business. There's only two championships running non-production based equipment and they have always been dominated by the biggest money. Don't cry about motogp just because the money is tight right now and the racing isnt what you want to see. Business as usual for this type of racing. You want to see more parity watch production based racing.

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