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Average positions and lap time improvement by the 2013 MotoGP field after two of the three official pre-season tests.

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Me - Unregistered

March 18, 2013 10:38 AM

It is unfair to lump all the riders together. There should be one category for the first four bikes, another the satellite ones + Ducs, and yet another for CRTs.
The first four are not necessarily placed as such owing to their own capabilities. Put one of them on the second category and the position will adjust accordingly. Well there's good evidence for that. We have sen how the infallible one got humbled on the red bike of the second group!

Grendlehop

March 18, 2013 3:05 PM

From these numbers it looks like good potential for a battle for the top spot, followed closely by a battle for the final step on the podium. 4-5 riders could possibly claim a "W" under the right circumstances.

TalentFan

March 18, 2013 6:21 PM
Last Edited 494 days ago

The only surprise in the list really is that MM is quite as fast as he is - the rest you could pretty much pick in this sort of order at the end of the 2012 season IMO.

Agree with 'Me' above in that lumping them all together is a con job. MotoGP is (even if you ignore the political 'fixing') at best a 3-tier format (kinda like le Mans racing, where open-class prototype rockets share the same track-time with tin-top sports cars, except there's no expectation or pretence that a lower-class vehicle is going to take an overall 'W' in Le Mans stuff).

Can't agree with 'Grendlehop'. Barring incident then (just like every season since '06) no-one not on a full-factory bike (now only an HRC or Yam) has a prayer of a Win. Podiums though are possible for Tier 2 guys with a bit of good fortune.

99 Crystal Ball. - Unregistered

March 18, 2013 6:29 PM

Me.
I have said all along that there are only 4 bikes and riders that have a chance of winning a race this year.Things dont change.Motogp is now 3 races in 1.Prototypes,satellites and CRTs.Thats just the way it is for now.

Realist

March 18, 2013 6:30 PM
Last Edited 494 days ago

@ TalentFan

Well, there are 5 factory bikes running at the front "in the tests", so what's left to disagree with Grendle about? I suppose that Bradl has the lowest chance of winning, but he's right there in the thick of it. Ya never know!

TalentFan

March 18, 2013 6:32 PM

@ billie-morini

"Maybe every rider should get a trophy, huh? Or maybe they all can be crowned world champion for 2013."

Cheap jibe! How about maybe Dorna could just stop conning a gullible (it seems) MotoGP Fanbase that there is a proper race (after the 4 HRC's n Yams) going on? Instead, stop caving to the demands & politicking of (primarily) Honda, and actually make MotoGP a truly competitive race series by adjusting the Rules accordingly? Then we'd know that the guy who got the Trophy truly deserved it and won it against his peers on ability, not on a missile most of the field haven't a prayer of getting near?

I think if people are going to snipe and take cheap shots for giggles, then they ought to be sure they've enough smarts to carry it off.

TalentFan

March 18, 2013 6:42 PM

@ Realist "Well, there are 5 factory bikes running at the front "in the tests", so what's left to disagree with Grendle about?

Ok, you've found a 'hole' to worry at. However, I think there's 'factory' and then there's 'Factory'.

You really think Bradl will get the same support as an HRC throughout the season? Also, you really think that Repsol / HRC would permit Bradl's team to be on the top step? Not unless both HRC's were on the floor and out IMO.

Depending on how the HRC's /Factory Yams fare and stay on (i.e. I can't imagine a situation where all 4 fail to stay on) then I can't see any other racer getting a winner's Trophy. Bradl has a good shot at podiums for sure - but it's take exceptional and unlikely circumstances to see him or anyone else other than DP, MM, JL or VR on the top step. IMO we won't see VR on the top step either though, unless his Factory Peers have an incident. Just my opinion.

jjthekid46 - Unregistered

March 18, 2013 6:59 PM

@ TalenFan

We already know who really are the best riders in MotoGP. Take a look at all riders career achievements pre-Motogp. I give you a hint, the riders with the most successful careers pre-Motogp, are exactly the same riders that are occupying all the Factory seats now. It amazes me that people actually think that the riders towards the back of the grid that did very little or next to no consistent winning prior to Motogp, are somehow gonna start winning numerous races and titles if they were on factory bikes now. They wouldn't !

Repsol maybe the Title Sponsor of the Factory works Honda, but they don't get to decide how much support Honda gives to their other Teams. If that was the case, Valentino wouldn't have wiped the floor with Okada and Criville in his first Motogp season in 2000, when he wasn't part of the official works Team. There is a much more simple solution for Repsol anyway, they can just either decide to start sponsoring certain riders teams if they wish(which is e

jjthekid46 - Unregistered

March 18, 2013 7:06 PM

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Repsol maybe the Title Sponsor of the Factory works Honda, but they don't get to decide how much support Honda gives to their other Teams. If that was the case, Valentino wouldn't have wiped the floor with Okada and Criville in his first Motogp season in 2000, when he wasn't part of the official works Team. There is a much more simple solution for Repsol anyway, they can just either decide to start sponsoring certain riders teams if they wish(which is exactly what did with Rossi's Nastro Azzuro team when it became obvious that he was the strongest Honda rider) or they can eventually recruit the top talent into their Team ( which they eventually did with Rossi in 2002)

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