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Average positions and lap time improvement by the 2013 MotoGP field after two of the three official pre-season tests.

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TalentFan

March 19, 2013 2:15 PM

@ Seriously! "It's always going to be riders on different makes and that's what helps sell the product. What has ended the days of turning up on a bike made up of last years championship winning engine in a one off special frame and succeeding is the willingness of the largest manufacturer, and another, to throw obscene amounts of money into a project that gives them bragging rights."

Generally I agree. We could get MORE Mfrs in MotoGP if the ability to BUY the WC was curtailed. This (IMO) would be quite easy - bring in a sensible rev-limit and a single-map ECU that cannot be altered during the race by any means.

No more need for pneumatic 'F1' valves, uber-exotic materials and a geek army writing code, and Terabytes of data that takes gazillions to collect, collate and manage. Cue huge cost reductions and a chance for other Mfrs to join the party affordably and competitively.

All of which is sensible, but will NEVER happen as long as Honda are the true political power in MGP -

TalentFan

March 19, 2013 2:22 PM

continued.....

All of which is sensible, but will NEVER happen as long as Honda are the true political power in MGP - it'd ruin their near-monopoly (along with Yam, who've been spoiling HRC's fun with less money so far, so Honda have squeezed harder this year with 1 less engine to up the ante).

There cannot be any real opportunity for a racer on a non-factory bike to really compete. Satellite bikes aren't permitted to be able to be on level terms with 'Principal-Sponsored factory Teams (as the money-men demand an unfair advantages) so MotoGP will stay rigged and with only 4 bikes and riders being truly able to contest for the WC, while the others are all just grid-fillers by design.

That is the truth of it. Anything else is just delusion or political 'spin' applied by the marketing men to keep the gravy train going.

TalentFan

March 19, 2013 3:32 PM

IMO things got really silly after Stoner surprised the hell out of the Japanese factories by blasting them into the weeds in 2007.
Naturally (for them), seems HRC's first thoughts were that it must be the engine. HRC couldn't possibly 'copy' Ducati with a Desmo system, so they went mad with the chequebook and brought out the 1st pneumatic 'F1' engine at Mugello 2008. Yamaha followed suit. Next we've had a massive electronics revolution and data-crunching contest, along with lobbying and arm-twisting to make sure Dorna let them play with their chequebooks and toys and to hell with the rest.
IMO - its just gone nuts and its now totally ridiculous. MotoGP is now just a pi$$ing contest lorded over by HRC and Yamaha, nothing more.

Realist

March 19, 2013 5:53 PM

There will never be a happy medium. On one hand, you have the people who want MotoGP to stay a prototype venue (with one-off bikes and crazy development), and on the other hand, you have the people who want to minimalize it so that everything is "equal". Nobody will ever agree (...remember the arguments last year about MotoGP being dumbed down?).

TalentFan

March 20, 2013 10:55 AM

@ Realist

I agree its a problem. IMO a lot of that problem is that the Spin Doctors and the Factories have 'conditioned' the fan base to believe that 'prototype' and 'crazy development' are essential and what makes MotoGP the premier series.

The fact that this path has meant the racing is inconsequential, ineffective and is asphyxiating MGP through a scattered 3-tier grid and the reliance on personalities and off-track drama to keep fans watching with massive costs and corporate politics is not understood and ignored by the masses (just like real politics is now). Fans don't get that they are being played and spoon-fed what the organisers want them to see.

The Spin Doctors have managed to get the fanbase believing their hyperbole, and got them actually supporting a direction that has reduced the Sport to the level of Reality TV.

I guess we collectively get what we deserve eh? MotoGP fans are being willingly conned IMO.

TalentFan - Unregistered

March 20, 2013 6:43 PM

@ Realist "Maybe you should become a journalist and spout the goodness for the masses to munch on. You seem passionate about your position."

Nah - read so many posts on here, where you'd hope that there were the majority who are fans of the sport first and foremost, & who had a genuine want for the Series to be great and the toughest real competition there is.

Instead, most are fixated by the personalities, not the Racing, so the racing is now a side-show so long as their preferred guy (and the masses will tend to support a Factory rider to be able to associate with success) gets good results and kudos. They don't care HOW their guy gets it, so long as he does.

I'm not naive enough to expect that the masses actually want to read what I think - they are quite happy being led by the nose to believe whatever is served up to them without needing to think too much.

TalentFan

March 20, 2013 6:45 PM

@ Realist "Maybe you should become a journalist and spout the goodness for the masses to munch on. You seem passionate about your position."

Nah - read so many posts on here, where you'd hope that there were the majority who are fans of the sport first and foremost, & who had a genuine want for the Series to be great and the toughest real competition there is.

Instead, most are fixated by the personalities, not the Racing, so the racing is now a side-show so long as their preferred guy (and the masses will tend to support a Factory rider to be able to associate with success) gets good results and kudos. They don't care HOW their guy gets it, so long as he does.

I'm not naive enough to expect that the masses actually want to read what I think - they are quite happy being led by the nose to believe whatever is served up to them without needing to think too much.

TalentFan

March 20, 2013 6:52 PM

@ Realist

Maybe the question ought to be.... is why don't the 'real' journalists working MotoGP tell it like it is? After all, they KNOW the racing is a 3-Tiered Farce, and MUST be able to work out that the rules favour HRC & Yamaha's huge resources to a massive degree etc. etc.

Yet not one of the Mat Oxley's, Michael Scott's and Julian Ryders of this world seem to really SAY anything about it. I can only assume that they don't wish to bite the hand that feeds and risk their paycheques and careers by alienating themselves from Honda and Dorna, while upsetting the vaccuous masses shouting for Vale (or whoever). So, I guess they keep their heads down and play the game?

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