MotoGP » Austin MotoGP: Crutchlow close to Lorenzo


“I was running the same speed as Lorenzo for a long time and that gives me a lot of confidence“ - Cal Crutchlow.

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Realist

April 22, 2013 8:09 PM

@ 99

I think Rossi running out of fuel was the less common of the two situations (..as we can see that Lorenzo did not). It might have been the level at which he was pushing, or it could have been a team strategy. Who knows?!! I guess my only point was to settle the "debate" about his engine being the same. I do agree with your assessment that the engine management may affect performance in some circumstances, but as illustrated again at COTA, Crutchlow has the package to do the business.

Hemmy - Unregistered

April 22, 2013 9:17 PM

@ Realist,

We all knew that its the same engine as the factory bikes before Spalding mentioned it on Sunday, it was well documented before that. Cal said so himself. Most in the previous 'debate' id not really dispute that.

It was your comments that stated he had 'the same chassis/engine/electronics as the factory bikes that people were disputing, and rightly so because your comments were untrue.

People also disagreed with your 'opinion' that Cal would not do any better on a full factory bike, which with all due respect was just as much as a ridiculous 'opinion' back then than that what is would be now.

And when you say 'he has the package to do the business', id be interested to hear what you class as 'doing the business'?

Is it, winning races, the title, being on the podium, or finishing 4th/5th/6th?

Even to be on the podium, lets not forget that Cal would have to beat at least 2 of the 4 'aliens', all of which have a better package than him. Not to mention Bradl, who also ha

Hemmy - Unregistered

April 22, 2013 9:26 PM

....who also has a better package than Cal.

If you really expect him to do that, then it goes to show how high you actually regard Cal as a rider, although you might not want to admit it it seems.

Yes im sure he'll pick up some podiums, which will be well earnt, and if he beats them on merit, then that will reflect how good Cal is more than it would how good his second rate bike is.

Everyone in the know KNOW how well Cal is doing to beat Rossi and keep up with the Champion. Now if the gap between tech3 and the Factory team continues to widen, then of course we may likely see Cal further back, but as it stands, and after Sunday, we have all seen what he is capable of.

Realist

April 22, 2013 9:27 PM
Last Edited 518 days ago

@ Hemmy

No, not everybody knew, and no, not everybody agreed that he had the same engine. Those of us who were the main contributions to that discussion might have agreed, but that doesn't account for all of the other nonsense posted on Crash. He does have the same chassis/engine as the factory boys, so I was not offering untrue information. There may be a variance in electronics, but is it really the reason why he hasn't put the bike on the podium more often? You can consider my opinion ridiculous, but I just don't feel that there is a significant enough of a difference between the factory and T3 bike TODAY to make much of an impact on his results. Feel free to disagree. It is your prerogative. As for “doing the business”, it means to put that bike on the front row, qualify well, and podium on occasion. A win is a stretch. That's just the way the cookie crumbles when you have 6 really capable bikes and only 3 positions on the rostrum.

Realist

April 22, 2013 9:28 PM
Last Edited 518 days ago

@ Hemmy cont.

Somebody has to fail, and when the pressure is on, Bradl and Crutchlow are probably the most likely to fail when in the company of Pedrosa, Marquez, Lorenzo and Rossi.

I don't think anybody has disputed Cal's overall capability, but many have disputed (again, based on precedent and Qatar 2013) his ability to ride under increased pressure. That is really undisputable if you take a step back and watch Cal and Dovi go at it.

P.S. I rate the T3 bike above Bradl's despite it being a full factory bike.

Hemmy - Unregistered

April 22, 2013 9:33 PM

Also, while were on the subject, heres a few quote from Jules and Spalders from race day.......

Jules: 'Cal has the same engine as the factory bikes, its the bits and pieces that surround it that are different. Its bascically a spare parts bike made up from bits that were left over and unused from last year, although its still a very good motorcycle'.

Spalding: 'Cal is on a second rate bike and is infront of Rossi and on the tail of Lorenzo. Cal is the real deal'.

Even if we disregard that he's on a second rate bike, Cal is doing one hell of a job, and more importantly, he is still on that upward spiral that is all so important in MotoGP.

If he continues to improve further, then it will be very interesting to see what happens.

Realist

April 22, 2013 9:35 PM
Last Edited 518 days ago

@ Hemmy

You won't find any dispute to the post below. We'll see how the season plays out. For what it's worth, I was impressed with the guy in Qatar. He ran a good race.

Hemmy - Unregistered

April 22, 2013 9:46 PM

@ Realist,

With all due respect, you did actually state that Cal has 'the same chassis/engine/electronics as the factory bikes'.

Thats what i disagree with of course, because again it is incorrect. You may have been mistaken or just posted it by mistake im not sure.

Regarding whether Cal would 'do better' with a factory bike and factory support, the logical answer is obviously yes we probably would. Otherwise, there would be no advantage on track of having a factory bike in that case.

What we would need to know is that if Cal is riding the bike he has to its full capability, and after a ride like yesterday, its hard to say he's not. Which would suggest that he would of course benefit from a better bike that is more capable.

Hemmy - Unregistered

April 22, 2013 9:53 PM

@ Realist,

I do agree woith you to some extent that Cal's midset/concertration/mental strength (whatever you want to call it), is not quite up to the level of the top guys, but lets not jump on him so much for that just yet.

Unlike the other guys, they are fully fledged and proven MotoGP riders (with Marquez being an anomoly) and have 2/3/4 times the experience of Cal.

But its clear that he is improving race by race, both in his riding, and his mental strength (in my opinon).

I think he learnt alot from his battles and close racing with Dovi last year, and he's proven that on Sunday in my opinion.

Lets see how far he can get with what he has this year and see what Yamaha choose to do next.

Tetley

April 22, 2013 11:00 PM

@shamarone
April 22, 2013 7:50 PM re: "Yam improvements on the way the T3 seat may be his preferred option, providing that they guarantee him up-to-date factory equipment. This would effectively make YamGP a 3-rider factory team"
wait, and who's paying for this...? "
Yamaha will have to foot the bill for Cal's signature. If they don't stump up the cash then other teams will take Cal from them. Cal would be such an asset to any team- I just hope Ducaudi don't win the auction.

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