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HRC - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 7:45 AM

Actually

Rossi started on an fully factory backed 1st tier NSR500 on 1st tier tyres.

Stoner started on an 3rd tier RC211V with 2nd tier tyres.

Big difference

Just saying.

MarquezFan - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 9:15 AM

As HRC said - Rossi had full factory equipment with competitive tyres and back then it wasn't particularly uncommon for a 'satellite' bike to win a race, the year Stoner joined was the last year that a satellite bike won a race (I think) due to the increasing differences between factory and satellite bikes. If stoner had a repsol in 2006 he would've binned it a lot yes but I also believe he would've won at least one race.
Marco Melandri used to win on a 'satellite' Honda years ago but he was no match for Stoner on an identical factory Ducati
If Marquez had to ride Bautistas satellite Honda with second rate suspension would he have won at COTA? I doubt it.

Just saying.

Anarki - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 9:26 AM

@HRC
"Stoner started on an 3rd tier RC211V with 2nd tier tyres."

3rd tier? What the hell is that? I mean, you guys, you are a special bunch, everybody has an opinion. Why does it matter when someone won thier first race. Stoner didn't won in 2006. because he wasn't ready to win, not that he didn't get a chance, he had a few. Anyway, he showed a lot in his first year, regardless of wining that first race, and there is no need for people to start dreaming and wondering what would have happened if he had, i don't know what.

MarquezFan - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 9:50 AM

Stoner was more than ready to win, he just didn't have the equipment to win in 2006. Why did Loris get owned by Casey in 2007? Is it because Loris wasnt ready to win? Why didn't Melandri win on the Ducati and why did he get made to look like an ammateur racer by Casey? Is it because Melandri wasn't ready to win? Why was Hayden always second to stoner on the Ducati? Is it because Hayden wasn't ready to win?
No, it's because Casey never had the equipment to win in 2006 which is why every previous race winner who joined him in the factory Ducati team always came second to him.

HRC - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 10:08 AM

@Anarki

Not my fault you choose ignorance.
To help with your special educational needs there has always been a pecking order for technical and mechanical upgrades from HRC.
2006
1st Repsol Honda
2nd Fortuna Honda
3rd LCR Honda

If you have the talent and get the best support/equipment, you also have the best chance of being a success, and that goes for most things in life actually.

Julius - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 2:32 PM

The only records that real MotoGP fans know and respect are records done on the Ducati. Achievments are worth nothing if done on bikes other than Ducati. The Ducati is the only yardstick of MotoGP. MM should win a championship on the Ducati if he really wants to be respected.

OZ Mick - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 2:35 PM

"Stoner was more than ready to win, he just didn't have the equipment to win in 2006."

So it's the equipment that made him win? I thought he could win on anything?

Just Saying - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 2:37 PM

"Rossi started on an fully factory backed 1st tier NSR500 on 1st tier tyres.

Stoner started on an 3rd tier RC211V with 2nd tier tyres.

Big difference

Just saying."

That's because Rossi was a champion and Stoner a backmarker. Big difference. Just saying.

someone - Unregistered

May 02, 2013 3:08 PM

@MarquezFan

why was Stoner never win a single championship in lower categories?

because he have no equipment? No.

@Julius
winning in ducati is now a yardstick for motogp to be respected? erase all those stat and just post stoner stat and other riders ride the ducati.

i think dorna must think, they have to change to single manufacturer for motogp and see all riders die on that pig.

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