MotoGP » Le Mans: Dovizioso 'so happy' after strong race


“I'm so happy with the race” – Andrea Dovizioso.

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TalentFan

May 21, 2013 6:27 PM

@ CRT. You make a very good point. As I have said myself, Stoner got the Ducati ride as it wasn't coveted at the time by other riders with better backing than CS.

The marriage benefited both parties enormously - I wonder if either/both have realised that its a sheer fluke due to the circumstances both parties were in that brought them together to such unexpected success?

Your point holds water very well.... just so long as you are absolutely right that Ducati does not have now, nor will attain a pilot that DOES have what it takes. Dovi didn't get the HRC support that DP had, & yet he's proved he is fast, clever, analytical and works hard. He used a satellite Tech 3 ride not to prolong, but to revive his career which is a rare thing.

You're probably right. But not DEFINITELY right where Dovi is concerned I think. Unless Ducati give him a great bike I guess we'll never know for sure.

CRT - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 6:38 PM

@ TalentFan,

The 2011 RCV was considered (arguably) the best bike on the grid. Dovi's results, although impressive, still did not put him in title contention. IMO Dovi is a very talented rider, I just don't put him in the same class as Pedro or Lorenzo, and until proven otherwise, Marquez.

Redding could possibly turn into the next Stoner annomoly, we won't know unless he gets decent machinery beneath him in GP.

CONT.

CRT - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 6:42 PM

In 2002, Ducati attempted to court Max Biaggi. Biaggi believed at the time that unless he was on an RCV, he wasn't going to win the title.

In 2003 Rossi was also courted by Ducati, and Rossi believed that Ducati did not listen to it's riders big shock here) and that is the reason he went to Yamaha.

Pre 2007, Ducati was on the correct path. According to Ducati, the limiting factor in the performance of thier machine was the tires. This held some merit as to the success of Capi pre crash, and the fact Bayliss took his first and only GP victory aboard it on a wildcard ride

I agree that 2007 was a huge allignment of the stars for Ducati and contrary to poplar belief, it was Stoner that made the difference. Every rider during and after Stoner has failed on that machine. IMO the spec tires had much to do with this.

TalentFan

May 21, 2013 7:14 PM

@ CRT. I think that Dovi has already started to clean the stain that VR's stint had on them though.

Stoner was regarded as a freak anomaly on the Ducati. When Rossi with his reputation & standing then couldn't ride it or get anywhere with it, there seemed to be the perception that if the great VR couldn't sort it out, then it could not BE sorted and handled by other more mortal pilots.

Dovi at least is exploding that myth. After all, by so many Dovi is perceived as 'good, but not THAT good'. So - if Dovi can ride it at least as well as Rossi, then other riders will feel they could as well.

Rossi was always a lose-lose for Ducati and I always felt it was a crazy decision on their part to hire him. Dovi is turning out to be just the guy Ducati need right now I think to restore some faith and belief in their bike.

CRT - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 7:21 PM

@ TalentFan,

One good showing at a wet race does not mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

Rossi took a podium in the dry on the Ducati, and was never seen again.

Too many variables to determine, but unless Dovi or Hayden starts winning races, they will be hell bent on finding the highest talent of riders.

TalentFan

May 21, 2013 7:48 PM

@ CRT I'm not arguing. I'm not even saying that Dovi IS the man to take Ducati back to the top for sure.

But I do think he's the right man for them right now to help restore Ducati as a marque that an ambitious, talented and successful young rider might seriously consider as a viable career step once more.

Why? Simply because Dovi is NOT seen as a super-star. So where any success VR got would be attributed to VR not the bike, any successes Dovi gets will see the bike getting some credit for the achievement, rather than just all the blame for any shortcomings.

Its all a matter of perception for the average fan - with the same result and outcome in a race, Ducati will always come out of it looking better with a Dovi on board than a Vale because of how both riders are (or at least were) perceived by so many. That's my point.

Codger

May 21, 2013 10:29 PM

It doesn't matter what praise we put on Stoner, and face it, he deserves all of it, his efforts to put the bike higher than it was capable of nearly finished him, both in body and mind. With all his input the bike still only got to 3rd or 4th in the Championship, and of course Nicky still lower.
There was no way Casey was going to continue risking everything on the Ducati and he went to Honda. Rossi and JB found out very quickly what Stoner was giving that bike and to this day can't figure out how he did it.
Has the Ducatis' rideability has improved since Casey left it?.........Nicky thinks it has.
Still only good for 6th place though if every one stays on, no matter who rides it.

TalentFan - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 11:03 PM

Stoner left Ducati saying they didn't listen. Maybe if they had then Ducati and MotoGP would look a lot different - we'll never know.

But as CS could and did ride the bike hard enough to win on it it's fair to speculate that his feedback taken from limits no-one else could get near was a golden missed opportunity by Ducati being short-sighted.

With hindsight you'd have to think that Ducati are kicking themselves for not making best use of CS when they had him. This one mistake potentially cost then 10's of millions of euros.

gremlin - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 2:40 AM

@ Realist

Why not compare rossi's 2012 results? i guess that's more comparable. Even though it's true that the first half of 2011 was probably the best period for rossi on the duke, I still cannot see any meaningful differences in the results. Plus as I have already pointed out, Rossi's 3rd at le mans in 2011 was practically a 5th, since two riders in front of him got out of the way. Jerez 2011 was a wet race so a 5th is no big deal as the duke is good in the wet. The Estoril and Catalunya 5th and Assen 4th were decent results, but the gp11 was totally different from the gp13. But yeah if you wanna say, you can say he performed better because he got 5th instead of 7th a couple of times. Whether that is down to rider performance, I seriously doubt. Let's see how the comparison turns out by the end of the season....

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