MotoGP » Le Mans: Rivals impressed by Honda rideability

“It looks like they can control the slide in the wet better than us” – Valentino Rossi.

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Grannie Jane - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 4:56 PM

80% rider 20% bike - was that in the days before electronic gizmos, TC etc.?

And when a rider can push to the limit, is that because of the electronics? Do electronics modify rider errors and thus prevent disasters?

Serious questions so serious answers please. I'm not technical nor a rider.

Anarki - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 5:13 PM

"80% rider 20% bike - was that in the days before electronic gizmos, TC etc.?"

Well, if there was some kind of cpu, it was pretty basic i guess, no TC, their wrist was their TC. :D

"And when a rider can push to the limit, is that because of the electronics? Do electronics modify rider errors and thus prevent disasters?"

I am sure someone with more tehnical knowledge will tell you more, but it's still brutal, no matter what they have, this machines have different philosophy, they are build for speed and agility, they are very difficult to master. As far as electornic goes, i think it's more about setup and setup options and fuel and different working mods, whatever, than with TC or some kind of ride by wire system, i don't think it works that way.

Rondick - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 5:44 PM

Any idiot can work out that seamless gear change is Honda's biggest weapon as it causes the least time-lag between gear change and therefore creates the least of backlash that hampers continuous traction... especially in the wet... that is why they have so much better traction.
I am not surprised Cal did well in the wet, he's good in the wet like Dovi... and good for him.

Grannie Jane - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 5:55 PM

Anarki - thanks for the reply.

So if 'wrist was their TC', that would mean more rider skill?

As for the second part of my question, it was just that I've seen the bikes 'snatch' sometimes as if they were being limited or controlled.

CRT - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 7:12 PM

LCTanner - Unregistered

Yamaha have only themselves to blame. They let the best development rider lthey ever had go to Ducati. They should of kept Rossi and let Lorenzo go. Now there bike is a pile.


How in the world did Honda build such a fantastic motorcycle without Rossi?

All smoke and mirrors I tell you!!!!!!!!!!

prof-x - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 7:30 PM

Yamaha have been going backwards since 2011. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Honda were supreme on those tires. Dani could have probably won that race by 10 seconds, if Stoner was on Marc's bike he probably could have won by 15+ seconds. The only thing keeping Honda from obliterating Yamaha this year are Dani's setup (issues) and Marc constantly making mistakes. Jorge never had a chance in Jerez against Marc's race pace. Dont't be surprised to see Jorge have more tire issues this year, its obviously not supposed to be his year anyways. The show must go on :) And it is only, but a show.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 7:36 PM

... Yamaha started going backwards about the time Valentino broke his leg actually, Dani could have fought for the title in 2010 had his bike not locked up on him and caused him major injury. 2009 was Yamaha's last best year, thanks to Bridgestone, 2008 was Jorges best year by a mile, if he hadn't injured himself he might have won the championship on Michelin tires... What a shame really.


May 21, 2013 7:55 PM
Last Edited 991 days ago

@ Grannie Jane....I'm not sure I can help you out.
As readers of my posts will tell you, I'm no expert. However I can tell you that the 80% ride/20% bike phrase is not new. It stems from the time when grids were full of single cylinder Nortons but the same riders were always at the front. The bikes were all within 1 or 2 BHP of each other and if a better frame came along, or a 5 speed gearbox was available to replace the 4 speed box, of course the best riders got them first anyway.

PS haven't seem your name for a while :)

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