MotoGP » Le Mans: Rivals impressed by Honda rideability


“It looks like they can control the slide in the wet better than us” – Valentino Rossi.

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Darkwaknight

May 21, 2013 7:56 PM

Does anyone even read the article!!!??!
Dovi said that dani was faster and made mistakes yet still won?!? And is from a guy clearly riding a bike that was faster than the Honda/yam anything out of a corner. It finished 4th and 5th and let's be honest dovi is no alien. Good not great, even Rossi podium the duke twice in Le Mans dry and wet with stoner in the race.. So I think this is all sour grapes, the poor relation yam was second in front of the "ride by remote" Honda so destroys any of this most likely out of content article!! Dani is in perfect form, mm is a talent, if it was so true Bradl would have been 3rd and the yam would have finished in a different order... Joke!!

Darkwaknight

May 21, 2013 7:56 PM

Does anyone even read the article!!!??!
Dovi said that dani was faster and made mistakes yet still won?!? And is from a guy clearly riding a bike that was faster than the Honda/yam anything out of a corner. It finished 4th and 5th and let's be honest dovi is no alien. Good not great, even Rossi podium the duke twice in Le Mans dry and wet with stoner in the race.. So I think this is all sour grapes, the poor relation yam was second in front of the "ride by remote" Honda so destroys any of this most likely out of content article!! Dani is in perfect form, mm is a talent, if it was so true Bradl would have been 3rd and the yam would have finished in a different order... Joke!!

TalentFan

May 21, 2013 8:10 PM

I guess maybe am current yardstick is needed to show what the performance gap really is between Yam & Honda?

An interesting one would be a move by Crutchlow from Yamaha to Honda. If his achievements and competitiveness stepped up another notch & Cal became a bona fide WC contender then I think that'd be a good indicator that a Honda is a bit (but a bit is a lot at this level) better than a Yamaha

cmpunk - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 9:01 PM

you nailed it darkwa
pedrosa in form of his life and marc we know is ultra talented.

Honda have there strength but Yam has its shares too.
also like to add jorge was not matching pedrosa since last year but everyone said he was managing his championship. Suddenly now people think honda is miles ahead of the rest.
Rea, Bradl are not crap riders but look at their results.

Anarki - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 9:29 PM

So if 'wrist was their TC', that would mean more rider skill?

Yeah, but you know, it's still is.

As for the second part of my question, it was just that I've seen the bikes 'snatch' sometimes as if they were being limited or controlled.

Well yes, computer can cut power down, i guess, a few years ago you could hear the TC on tv, watching races, not sure about that now days. Anyway, if you ask is it safer now then it was before, i think it is, but how can this ever be safe.

Racing has changed a lot in the last 10 years, i think you must ride quite differently than 10 or so years ago. Is it a good thing, who knows, for me, it is ridiculous how much money big companies from Japan spent in this last decade in terms of development, i mean this is just a bike, how complicated can it be, but it obviously can, it is happening right now.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 10:14 PM

Bradl is with an underachieving team who cant setup a bike to save their own lives, and Bautista is on a test bike for Showa. Repsol bank HRC's factory team. YFR are poor but they have had a decisive tire advantage keeping them close and on top, Ducati are poor but never had a tire advantage in the control tire era so they suck, Honda is the best bike by at least a mile, dont blame Bradl for his lack of setup or Bautista for being used as a guinea pig.

Honda Repsol will most likely be over 125 points over YFR by the end of the season, nothing Yamaha can do cause they went the wrong way with their bike in 2011, and have kept going the wrong way ever since. Bridgestone are here to get the ratings for Dorna, and DOrna want Marquez to be worshiped like the idol they are promoting him as. Pretty simple stuff actually, at least in F1 there are enough powerful interests to help keep the sport semi-legitimate, MotoGP is all about Dorna.

Noriben - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 10:35 PM

Yamaha rider winning the championship,

in the even number years:
1978 1980 1984 1986 1988 1990 1992 2004 2008 2010 2012 (11 times)

in the odd number years:
1979 1991 2005 2009 (4 times)

Yamaha historicaly tends to become weaker in the even number years. All the old GP fans know about this fact. It is said that the pace of their development become a bit slowed down in those years. It is a well known fact that Edie Lawson moved to Honda from Yamaha in 1989 because of this.

If JL wants to prove himself to be one of the great champions, he needs to win in the odd number year overcoming the adversity he is facing now.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 21, 2013 10:54 PM

you should study math before jumping to those kinds of baseless conclusions.

1978 1979 1980 .... 1984 .. 1986 .. 1988 .. 1990 1991 1992 ... 2004 2005 .. 2008 2009 2010 .. 2012

That is a more appropriate view for the data you presented, look at the streaks. 1978 - 1980, every other year from 84 to 88, a streak in 90, in 2004, 2008 (3 championships), and a win in 2012.

Most of their wins came post Rossi (Dorna's favored champion) 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010, & 2012 (deny Casey Stoner). If it were not for Rossi Yamaha would not have ad all those championships, but not for the reasons you probably want to believe.

I think you have been watching tv too much. They do that kind of stuff on the tube to confuse the masses too much. If you did any kind of statistical work on that data you couldnt prove anything you are trying to posit. The data lends itself more towards streaks rather than winning evens vs odds.

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