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"In conclusion, it will not be possible for a rival manufacturer or team to 'claim' an M1 engine."

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May 28, 2013 4:11 PM

re: "I know you never like to miss an oppertunity to have a pop at WSB but at least they are all sitting on the grid on bikes operating to the same set of rules/specifications."

ya don't hear grinner complainin'...! :)

CRT - Unregistered

May 28, 2013 4:30 PM

The more restrictions you put into a prototype series, the more expensive it gets to be at the front.

The CRT concept would work if they simply allowed two things to happen,

1. Increase the engine allotment to 20. This will give them a fresh engine per race and then some. Give them the ability to keep pace on the straights will close the gaps. They can't compete being down 50HP.

2. Allow the CRT's to run any type of tire brand they wish, with the available tires supplied Thursday and available to all CRT outfits.


May 28, 2013 10:23 PM

PP916 get over the obsession.
Agsin I will explain.
They will all use the same ECU.
Any bike CRT included can use pnumatic valves, seamless gearboxes or whatever so long as they have the money.

2 Simple Rules
Allow your engine to be bought for €20k Honda can do this with their Repsol RCV if they want, you gert to use 12 engines, if you dont allow your engine to be bought you get 5.
Use your own software on the spec Marelli ECU, you get 21 litres of fuel. Use the spec Marelli software you get 25.

Now whats the rules for 4's twins and triples in WSB?

ark - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 4:18 AM

Follow the steps of f1, donor prototype engines on team built chassis. Actually follow f1 properly and drop traction control, and on fly engine mapping ( i think).
Make proper prototype racing and drop the crt crap. Hondas crt machine is good for super bikes not motogp. If honda can make a crt machine and make engines and gear boxes for moto2 then it can make more motogp engines.
Honda, yamaha, ducati and suzuki need to make their engines/gearboxs available to any one and dorna to have one fixed price for all engines.

M1M - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 7:39 AM

After a year of development adjusting to the stresses of the Bridgestones and carbon brakes, the CRTs are becoming competitive with the Ducatis despite being way down on power, (which is why they're allowed the softer rear as they can't generate enough heat in the prototype tyre). Teams should bring a CRT/ART with full WSBK tuning to one of the post race tests, (as a wild card or test bike), and see how much difference that makes even without the rumoured ART pneumatic valve head. I suspect they would be competitive with the new Honda production racer and Yamaha leased engine bikes at a much lower price if Dorna simply gave them the extra engines, even allowing for the added cost over a season. The CRTs would retain full control of their machinery, unlike the leased engines, and it would prevent Honda and Yamaha gaining an even tighter stranglehold on MotoGP which would be the result if their proposed 'solutions' are adopted. Plus there would still be only two classes, instead of the p

M1M - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 7:46 AM

contd...two classes instead of the proposed four. If the CRTs are replaced with Honda production racers and Yamaha's leased engine bikes, Dorna will lose the leverage it has with the CRTs at the moment as they would allow it to continue a competitive series even without factory involvement. It's the private racing teams who have the interests of racing at heart, not the factories. They see it merely as a marketing and R&D exercise, so greater MSMA dominance is bad for all race fans.

pp916 - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 9:50 AM

I'm well aware of the consesessions in WSB rules to allow twins & triples to compete on an equal footing with the fours, its been in place pretty much since the begining of the championship and in the main it has worked well.....unlike GP which with CRT has developed 2 distinct classes starting on the same grid, now not even using the same tyres.
I am well aware that WSB has its problems but my fear that Dorna's increased interference will have an even more negative effect than the Flamini's over the last few years. If you truly believe that Motogp is going in a good direction then I would be grateful for a borrow of your rose tinted glasses, they seem to be very effective.


May 29, 2013 10:15 AM

PP916 my argumentative friend, they are trying to address the problems caused by themselves allowing the manufacturers to make the rules during the good times. Some problems that have been in the series since MV Agusta unleashed their works bikes, and never changed, the only thing thats changed is internet forums were invented.
The WSB were on the brink of disappearing, just like interpublic before FGS gave 93% of it away to Infront in an attempt to salvage something except it was losing more money, when Bridgepoint got involved they started to look deeper paid Infront Paid Flamini his 7% and said goodbye.
The series problems started in 2001 when they declared war on Dorna, inviviting prototypes into the series and scrapping the 19K rule before it got off the ground, even Ipolita begged him to change his stance. They realised there was a problem in WSS 2 years ago and acted but refused apart from 1 bike (with in the back) in WSB.


May 29, 2013 10:23 AM

The tyre thing is hardly a rule, its Bridgestone giving them a different option, like making available 3 different compounds but the RULE is your only allowed to select 2.
Although you maybe right in the sense that the MSMA bikes are not allowed the softer option, but I think the CRT can choose what they want.
People moan when you don't change anything and moan when they do, thing is if Dorna don't address the problems on track and TV deals and track sanction fees in WSB so the teams get actually earn some money, it will be a thing of the past.

CRT - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 3:45 PM

Like it or not, the CRT's have filled the grid. And like it or not, they will not be competitive with the factory bikes. They simply do not have the budget, nor the talent to compete with the factories. This is no different than the two stroke era, the best teams have the best funding hiring the best riders.

You could kick out all the factory bikes tomorrow and fill the grid with CRT's. The same thing will happen just like in Moto2. The well sponsored, well funded teams will rise to the top because they can afford it.

This is the premier class of motorcycle racing, it's not going to be cheap, nor should it be cheap to race in it. If you want to fill the grid with factory prototypes, quit ****ing with the rules and stop trying to spec everything under the sun.

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