MotoGP » Pedrosa: Marquez improved after he copied our settings


Dani Pedrosa feels his set-up data helped Repsol Honda team-mate Marc Marquez get up to speed for race day at Mugello.

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JimmyJimmy

June 07, 2013 1:53 AM
Last Edited 480 days ago

@pcxmac

"I dont buy it, Dani didnt have grip issues like this last year. Dani never had grip issues against Casey"

I'm not sure this is right buddy. In 2011, on the chatterless Honda, Stoner would regularly appear to have more tyre than Dani in the latter third of the race. Just like MM, this is probably down to two things imo. Firstly, Stoner could handle the worn tyre better than Dani, and I think that is the same for MM (this must be true if, as you say, MM is being harder than Dani on tyres during the course of a race but ends up being faster than Dani in the latter stages). Secondly, and this is far more arguable, the difference in their riding styles and approach led Stoner to actually have more tyre than Dani in the latter stages. For most of 2011, there's no doubt that Stoner could do Dani's pace more easily than Dani could do Dani's pace. In 2013, for the most part, I think the same could be said of Marquez. If one rider can do a pace more...

JimmyJimmy

June 07, 2013 1:54 AM
Last Edited 480 days ago

cont...

If one rider can do a pace more easily than another rider, I think there's a fair chance the rider doing it more easily will be using less tyre, or at least using one tyre (front or rear) less.

In 2012, it's much harder to compare Stoner and Pedrosa. Firstly, the chatter that was there (up to Stoner's accident) robbed Stoner of something that made him faster than Dani in 2011. Or, to put it another way, Dani was riding the 2012 bike better than Stoner. The debilitating chatter over-shadowed an anlysis of more subtle details like who's using their tyre more.

But, getting back to what started this vein of the discussion - MM and tyres versus Dani and tyres. IMO, MM is showing that he is faster than Dani, including faster when its time to drop the hammer. Generally speaking, MM has shown he can do Dani's race pace more easily than Dani can and when it is time to drop the hammer, he's got Dani covered. What is ...

JimmyJimmy

June 07, 2013 1:55 AM
Last Edited 480 days ago

cont...

What is certain, in my eyes, is that MM is faster on worn tires than Dani. What's uncertain is what this is down to. Is it just the expression of MM's relative speed no matter what the tyre wear? Does it mean MM is just better on a worn tyre than Dani? Does it mean MM is arriving at the latter stages of the races with his rubber in better condition? Is MM achieving better speed through risks that accidents will knock out of him? Is it a combination of all these factors? I agree with you that MM's current lack of relative smoothness might be using more tire but I don't think it is on the scale you are intimating (but we're both just guestimating). However, I think MM is ...

JimmyJimmy

June 07, 2013 2:05 AM
Last Edited 480 days ago

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However, I think MM is using more tyre than Dani during the course of a race but I think it is the front that MM uses more via a slightly higher mid-corner speed supported by a greater off-throttle lean angle which is supported by getting his body off the machine more. By utilising more front to match Dani's pace, he's then got a touch more rear relative to Dani when it's time to drop the hammer. Just an opinion.

JimmyJimmy

June 07, 2013 2:19 AM

@Chris Zarate

"But in full lean, it's not really that visible cause of the physical limitations of Dani, he legs won't reach what other riders reach so fair play to him."

lol yeah. Dani is often criticized with regard to his size/weight giving him an advantage but, as you say, it's his short legs that stop him from 'spidering' off the bike like the others. If he scooched over so that his thigh was lying across the seat, instead of a good portion of his ass, his outside foot would probably be a couple of inches off the peg.

DrAbbas

June 07, 2013 2:28 AM

Why Pedro?
This should be an internal problem.

You should complaint about it to honda.
If you dont like how honda threat you just leave honda go to ducati or crt.

Talk too much, no World Title.




Rumble1

June 07, 2013 2:40 AM

Something ironic. Hayden wasn't using the RCV that Pedrosa was using in 2006. Pedrosa was using the older bike that was pretty much developed, where Hayden was using a new experimental bike. So, with that said, what would Hayden have gained by using the settings from a different bike?

dgreg

June 07, 2013 2:59 AM

Dani is good no doubt. They all are really. Dani has to have all conditions perfect for success on his side of the garage. He does have the advantage of being on the same bike (arguably the best bike) specifically developed for him for many years. He is also considerably lighter than any of the other riders. You'll never see him passed on a straight and he always gets an exceptional start. His manager is an ass and sure it runs off a bit too. I personally find Dani unexciting and not very interesting.

MM is an amazing and brave new talent the likes of which are rarely seen. He's doing what everyone of them would if they could. He's pushing as hard as he can and he's using every new bit of information on and off the track that he can. He's arguably the most talented rider out there. Stoner used to hold that title. What he does with it as he mature will be interesting to see.

Everyone sees MM is coming and there will be plenty that will explain it in different ways

AussieNSW

June 07, 2013 3:58 AM

@ Jimmy Jimmy
Very good post mate,I agree with you MM does "hang off " the bike in the corners a bit more than stoner giving him a little more corner speed but the way he manhandles the bike I am surprised he has more tyre at the end,by the way does anybody know if stoners head tuner is MMs as well I did not read it anywhere but I see him in MMs pit if he is I am sure he would be useing some of stoners settings as their style is not anlike each other.

V4Poweeeer

June 07, 2013 5:19 AM

If anything MM seems to have a riding style very similar to Eugene Laverty both lean off of their bikes more than anybody else and enjoy a lay and pray strategy towards the end of a race....
Doohans statement that its easier to make a fast guy not crash than it is to make a slow guy fast is still true im pretty sure early on in Dani's repsol honda tenure he was a bit of a crasher. At mugello Dani showed the value of experience and knowing when hes on the limit on worn tyres, while Marc may have been able to go into that corner a lap or two ago as fast as he did when he crashed but the tyres had worn just that little bit too much he crashed he'll be back on the podium soon so don't worry about that.

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