MotoGP » Lorenzo not worried by engine 'observation'


“Maybe it is possible to use that engine again in the future“ – Jorge Lorenzo.

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TalentFan

June 20, 2013 10:22 AM

@ Shamarone "re: "Lorenzo faced a similar situation last season, when he was taken down in a first-turn accident at Assen that also broke a newly-introduced engine."

"another reason why we have an obligation to hand out penaltys to the rider at fault."

CORRECTION.... another reason why Dorna have an obligation to change the technical rules and regulations from the ridiculous to the sane. I.e.....

STOP pandering to Factory agenda's. SCRAP the limited engine rule and fuel restriction, and instead have a SENSIBLE RPM LIMIT. This will reduce engine costs and exotic materials, improve engine life, improve fuel consumption and ensure that a racer isn't hamstrung if he loses a motor through no fault of his own.

STOP COMPLICATING THE CR*P OUT OF THE REGS JUST TO SUIT THE FACTORIES WHEN THERE ARE FAR MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD, SENSIBLE & COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WILL ENHANCE THE RACING!!!

vlady

June 20, 2013 12:47 PM

Wtf with Yamaha??looks like they have a horrible situation this year..they can't build a better chasis while honda already have a new bike..and JLo already on 4th engine??how could this be??cz I don't remember he got a serious accident this year..

JukkaX

June 20, 2013 2:34 PM

@vlady
4th engine 'cos one engine was withdrawn early 'cos of a problem in it.. Like Horhe said: it may be possible to get that engine in use again. True about the frame.. Honda has zillions more money to spend compared to Yamaha, that's a fact that's slow to change.

TalentFan

June 20, 2013 2:36 PM

@vlady

Its pretty simple as I see it. Dorna (no doubt being lobbied to death by HRC) have adopted one less engine to put the pressure on (unless you have a massive R&D budget, staff, engineering resource etc. aka HONDA).

Yamaha (let alone everyone else) simply don't have the resources and the chequebook to win at all costs. So they have to push their engine even harder to run with the Honda's, while working with 1 less engine as well.

The logical guess is that Yamaha are being forced to push their motor right to the very limit to try to stay with the HRC's and their mighty engine/R&D, and the strain is showing.

You think its bad now? If I'm right wait till the last quarter of the season and watch the Honda's romp away with impunity while all the Yamaha pilots can do is watch them disappear.

Robert Danley

June 20, 2013 3:35 PM

While everyone seems to be freaking out over Yamaha motor usage, has anyone considered that Yamaha is just using a different strategy? Perhaps they feel it is safer to spread the usage over more motors rather than run any motor closer to their life limit and risk a failure in a race? Maybe motors with higher use are being used for practice and fresher motors are being raced.

TalentFan

June 20, 2013 3:51 PM

@ Robert Danley. You might be right. but to be on the 4th engine out of 5, when the season is closer to a third done than half-way? Nope- the maths don't add up for me there. But I guess it IS possible.

Even if your theory is right, that still doesn't alter the fact that the regs re engine & fuel limits (under the laughable premise of cost-cutting and 'greenness'), but with open rpm limits, and masses of electronics are contradictory and plain nuts, and CANNOT be this way for the reasons claimed.

I still feel sure that HRC are going to romp away in the latter stages of the season as they can AFFORD to solve the issues these regs create more than anyone else.

If the last races are a complete and embarrassing Honda-fest (esp. if Yam break any motors) I think we'll have a pretty good idea what's going on.

TalentFan

June 20, 2013 3:59 PM
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Copy of a prev post cos its relevant..

The conventional piston engine is fully developed. With the focus on reliability and fuel consumption Honda's own proven direction on the street is lowering pumping losses - and this is achieved by lowering revs. Lower revs means that reliability, and life is dramatically improved and the lower stresses mean that exotic materials aren't needed

If Dorna really wanted to make the racing cheaper and more competitive at the same time, then a simple and sensible rev-limit (limit absolute mean piston speed to safe limits for std valvegear & con-rods) will still allow very fast bikes that don't cost heaps.

If Dornas want innovation then allow MotoGP extra scope to use experimental (i.e. not piston engines).

Junk the dead-end of carbon discs while they are at it for more cost-saving and better racing.

TrueFan

June 20, 2013 5:21 PM

Interesting discussion. Motor racing has always been about developing technology through competition.

That means periods where one manufacturer (eg MV, Honda or Yamaha) can dominate. In the last 10 years, apart from Stoner winning notably on the Ducati, Yamaha has pretty much ruled.

Although Rossi (or JB, his other mouthpiece) said it's 80% rider, 20% bike, it is still more interesting having the twist to the game.

Personally, I'd like to see a full grid of prototypes, with riders chosen on their riding merits...rather than marketing merits or their sponsorship money.

TrueFan

June 20, 2013 5:35 PM

@TalentFan I disagree. Ducati has run desmodromic valve gear for decades. Honda and Yamaha built the expensive pneumonic valves because the higher rev limits of the 800s gave the Ducati a power advantage - which partially offset its handling disadvantage.

If you only want to test rider skill, you need to a single class rule...same chassis, suspension, tyres, brakes, engine etc. To me, that's less interesting. Fans would still complain that "XXX track doesn't suit ZZZ's style"... Simple. Put them all on Ducatis, no rev limit. That would sort out the riders from the rest.

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