MotoGP » Lorenzo not worried by engine 'observation'


“Maybe it is possible to use that engine again in the future“ – Jorge Lorenzo.

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TalentFan

June 20, 2013 5:43 PM

@ Truefan "Motor racing has always been about developing technology through competition."

Agreed. But now the Tech isn't complementing the racing, but actually inhibiting it. And the way Dorna are trying to so-called 'control' this is making the series even less of a competition. Time for new thinking, just like F1 realised.

The tech is eclipsing the human element and wrecking competition - much of it is a development dead-end too, so why not get rid of the pricey stuff? The bikes could be many seconds a lap slower and still be very, very fast and at least as much of a challenge if not more so for the pilots. CRT proves this, but the fact Aprilia are looking to go pneumatic valve shows how its all going mad and just isn't necessary.

This will not be tolerated as a direction as long as there is direct Factory involvement and influence over regs.

There isn't the cash for a grid full of 'prototypes' (unless you accept that CRT's being non-production based are just that, which t

TalentFan

June 20, 2013 5:44 PM

cont....

There isn't the cash for a grid full of 'prototypes' (unless you accept that CRT's being non-production based are just that, which they are).

Time for a revolution, or MotoGP will wither and die anyway (as a Honda one-make WC).

TalentFan

June 20, 2013 5:52 PM

but other series have proved it CAN work with multiple marques as long as the rules make it a basically level playing field. It's fine for a machine to have an edge in one area or advantage at one circuit, as long as its not too big and is offset by another having an edge somewhere else.

BSB & (at the mo) WSBK are good examples.

There's also the fact that (es. BSB with its 'low-tech' rules) if the Tech isn't allowed to intrude to the point of virtual perfection every lap by computers and data then (as long as the bikes are pretty even) there is the scope for the riding talent to make the difference.

MotoGP at the front-end is getting to the point where the tech and data is SO perfected that there is no room for riding talent to make that difference anymore. Result - a 'race' is a virtual foregone conclusion after a lap or two.

Somethings gotta change.

TrueFan

June 20, 2013 6:28 PM

@TalentFan Maybe I'm just a riding purist, but I can watch JLo turn out perfect laps all day without getting bored, just as long as he's riding at the level he had to find to compete with Stoner. Seeing Rossi struggle against these guys just shows how good they are.

Same as the IoM. I don't care that they're just racing the clock, they have very large cojones, among other talents...

I don't want to see rev limits, but I'd like to see Suzuki and Ducati able to compete with Honda and Yamaha. Ducati's problem isn't rev limits, it's more likely engine gyroscopics and tyre construction that won't work with well enough their chassis and power delivery.

TalentFan

June 21, 2013 9:14 AM

@ Truefan

Honda went to pneumatics valves in 2008 after Stoners WC. I bet they were convinced that it was the Desmo valvegear that made that Ducatir so fast in 2007, and never considered that it had a heck of a lot to do with the pilot.

At least desmo is a system that is used and relevant in engine development, whereas pneumatic valves will NEVER make it to mainstream, so useless to so-called 'development'. Ditto carbon brake discs.

I'm all for watching talent like Jlo's too. But I don't want to see that talent become marginalised into a minority issue in the performance of the bike and rider combo, which has been inexorably happening year-on-year. I also don't want the field to be a multi-tier performance farce with no depth of genuine competition, with the largest powerplayer and chequebook able to buy the WC. Surely I can't be the only one to think this?

AussieNSW

June 22, 2013 3:37 AM

@Talent Fan
Good posts there mate ,but I have another angle on the Yam I have posted it before I think they have a fuel problem I could be wrong but at the start of every race JLO is so agressive to get to the front where he then can control the race pace (which he is brilliant at) while the 2 hondas battle with each other, have a look at rossi from his 5th or 6th on the grid he has to ride flat out to get to 4th and then nothing I think if he keeps riding at that pace by the end he wont have the fuel I am not saying he would win because I dont think anybody on the grid is in JLOs league but I would like to see the honda get out first and see if the Yam would keep pace with it or take 2nd just for the points.
@Vilas
Get real Tech3 would be lucky if they get last years left over parts even rossi would not get the new parts before JLO the No1 rider gets first option thats just the way it is always has been.

TalentFan

June 22, 2013 9:48 PM

@ AussieNSW

You might be right. After all, the fuel amount is a massive constraint and will itself need massive R&D & Electronics management to maximise it. Its one reason why we see less variance between engine and lap strategies, as the electronics have to dictate exactly how the power is delivered in conjunction with the traction control, ant-wheelie, gear-changes etc. It all has to be done while saving as much fuel as possible for driving the bike as fast as possible for the race duration.

If Yam are on the limit with their engines, the it makes sense also that their engines will be right on the margins on fuel too.

JLo will use less fuel time-trialling from the front than he would trying to attack from behind, so that's a very good observation and possibilty!

MX135LC

June 27, 2013 11:21 AM

Wow.. Nice post.. It's been so long crash didn't have good comments like these. I'm just a comment reader. I also believed that yamaha strategy was about fuel consumption which's less a problem to the hondas.

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