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Four more Ducatis to join the MotoGP grid in 2014?

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Sasha Alexandrovich

June 29, 2013 6:39 PM

I'd be interested in running a Desmo valved bike with the extra fuel. You get your CRT performance with a prototype that can now blow faster through its engines with more fuel. So you would expect a big gain over the current CRT package. And maybe even the sat 2013 Duc. It is a ready to race bike. Not a Yamaha R1 engine you have to throw in your CRT frame build for a weaker engine or a Honda with its pneumatic valves replaced with springs...

jjthekid46

June 29, 2013 6:47 PM
Last Edited 541 days ago

The control tire has absolutely zilch to due with why Ducati is so poor. This is just a cheap excuse that is used by Ducati to deflect the blame away from why they are incapable of taken on Honda/Yamaha on equal terms. Look at Honda and Yamaha. No one who evens knows a bit about Motogp will tell you that both the these bikes have similar characteristics. The way both bikes achieve fast lap-times are fundamentally different from eachother, with vastly different riding techniques needed to make the bikes go fast. Yet race after race the overall performance of both bikes is extremely close. At some tracks Honda have the edge, at some tracks Yamaha do........

jjthekid46

June 29, 2013 6:56 PM
Last Edited 541 days ago

........ But you don't suddenly see Honda or Yamaha being 30 + secs slower over a race distance on tracks that don't suit either bikes respectively. And does anyone know why that is ??? Because both bikes are fundamentally good motorbikes that's why. When Ducati won the title in 07, they won it because 3 main factors masked the fact that they had a fundamentally inferior chassis( which at Ducati has always been the case). Having Stoner as a rider, being on Bridgestone tires which was a vastly superior race tyre at many tracks that year comapred to Honda and Yamaha being on Michelins, and vastly superior straightline speed compared to any other bike that season.............

jjthekid46

June 29, 2013 7:09 PM
Last Edited 541 days ago

............It's not a coincidence that that very season Suzuki on the Bridgestones oddly enough managed to challenge for podium positions several times. Once other top teams switched to Bridgestone tires, Ducati lost the advantage of better tires and had to compete with other teams on the same tires that had better chassis, while the others also caught up in terms of horsepower. It's the fact 2 of Ducati's 3 main advantages got wiped out within the space of 1 year lead to their competitiveness diminishing over time, and left them with Stoner having to compensate for the bikes inefficiencies.

JcRacing

June 29, 2013 7:21 PM

It would have to be a huge gamble, getting those bikes as uncompetitive as they are now, and time to close deals for next year is running out. Paul Bird has mentioned he would be willing to use their engine, with 4 extra liters of fuel per race and 7 more engines per year. That could be interesting, Just like an ART bike with pneumatic valve actuation.

shamarone

June 30, 2013 12:00 AM

re: "but will have the advantage of four litres more fuel per race than official entries"

looks good on paper. are we sure this would be an advantage...? not that you'd have to use it, but crutch would most certainly argue that an extra gallon of fuel would only conspire to make his bike that much HEAVIER (~6 lbs) for the 1st half of the race. no free lunch.

shamarone

June 30, 2013 1:01 AM
Last Edited 540 days ago

re: "Bad idea from Ducati, they would get exposed by others who can make a better chassis than the factory team."

but that's not what Paolo said.

however (comma), i'll co-sign the engine lease idea. once ciabatti mentioned model year "2013", that full bike idea immediately becomes a non-starter. :(

like yam, put engines on lend and post a boffin with each team. and YES, some of these teams might be able to build a better ally chassis than you. ok ok, so you can't build ally, who gives a rat's...!? but therein lies THE BIG IDEA.

if you swallow a little pride now, you can reap a HUGE windfall later. it's a WIN/WIN. the teams get what they want, and you get the revenue stream, paddock proliferation, and product control YOU want.

CONT:

shamarone

June 30, 2013 1:04 AM
Last Edited 540 days ago

CONT:

and if you're really smart, you can even offer an OPTIONAL deal to the teams. ie. those willing to feed back chassis data to bologna...??? qualify for a reduced lease rate. it's brilliant.

remember, the goal here is to play to your strengths, and your strength is in the DESMO...!!! thank you Shamarone, you're welcome Ducati.

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